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RhythmAndStyle
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As a collegiate wrestler, Josh Koscheck was well acquainted with the joys of weight cutting.
Koscheck, a former NCAA Division I champion at 174-pounds for Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, says he used to walk around heavy and cut to 163 pounds for several meets.
So the 31-year-old welterweight relates to Anthony Johnson, his opponent at UFC 106 on Saturday
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Post #1 11/19/09 11:40:00AM
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Giant_Ochai
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If Johnson misses weight Koscheck should force him to lose it all or not fight him.
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Post #2 11/19/09 11:53:23AM
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Posted by Giant_Ochai
If Johnson misses weight Koscheck should force him to lose it all or not fight him.
And then miss out on getting a paycheck from the fight *and* his sponsors?
Last edited 11/19/09 11:55AM by emfleek
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Post #3 11/19/09 11:55:00AM
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RhythmAndStyle
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yeah thats what i thought too..i mean Yoshida thankfully took that match cause he just wanted to fight..and Johnson..come on now if you take your job serious..making weight shouldn't even be an issue..if he's doesn't make weight this time around i would take his whole purse money and make him move up weight class...since it's a problem making WW..force him to go up to MW..only logic thing to do...
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Post #4 11/19/09 12:09:31PM
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Johnson really enjoys being one of the biggest 170 pound fighters in the world but yeah.. If you're going to miss weight, especially by over a pound(ESPECIALLY if it's over a few pounds) then I think it's time to rethink your gameplan and move up a weight class.
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Post #5 11/19/09 12:37:53PM
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Maybe he has maintained his weight better sense he fought not too long ago??? Ehhh he his gonna win by KO anyway
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Post #6 11/19/09 12:56:16PM
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Posted by RhythmAndStyle
yeah thats what i thought too..i mean Yoshida thankfully took that match cause he just wanted to fight..and Johnson..come on now if you take your job serious..making weight shouldn't even be an issue..if he's doesn't make weight this time around i would take his whole purse money and make him move up weight class...since it's a problem making WW..force him to go up to MW..only logic thing to do...
I am betting Yoshida was even smaller in reality because Japanese fighters typically do not cut much weight.
All in all, it costs a fighter a lot to miss weight and you cannot fight for the title missing weight, so really missing weight frequently comes back to bite you in the ass more than people think.
Last edited 11/19/09 2:43PM by Rush
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Post #7 11/19/09 2:41:58PM
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If Johnson misses weight again Dana's not going to trust him with a title shot.
Or even a #1 contender's fight.
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Post #8 11/19/09 3:23:36PM
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Rush
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Posted by finnish_line
If Johnson misses weight again Dana's not going to trust him with a title shot.
Or even a #1 contender's fight.
Even if Dana would give him the opportunity for a title shot, if he missed weight for that fight it would no longer be a title shot and they are even more stringent with weight for title fights. Johnson is only hurting himself on an epic level if he keeps missing weight.
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Post #9 11/19/09 4:43:15PM
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Was last fight the only time he's missed weight so far? Maybe something went wrong in camp? Its not an excuse because fighters should never show up over weight, but maybe there was something that caused him to miss, because 5 pounds is a lot to miss by.
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Post #10 11/19/09 7:10:37PM
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Posted by mk1630
Was last fight the only time he's missed weight so far? Maybe something went wrong in camp? Its not an excuse because fighters should never show up over weight, but maybe there was something that caused him to miss, because 5 pounds is a lot to miss by.
According to wiki, he missed weight by 6.5 lbs back when he fought Rich Clementi.
It's not that he just missed weight, but he missed by so much. Some times guys are injured and cannot make weight because they can't train as hard. IMO, if you are hurt bad enough that you cannot make weight, you drop out of the fight.
Travis Lutter missed weight by only 2lbs, had it not been a title fight he would have missed by 1 pound. He got crucified for it. When a fighter misses weight by more than 3 pounds or on more than one occasion, that is just bad. Johnson is one of those fighters. I think he gets more slack because he comes off as a good guy.
Like I said, fighters that miss weight are only hurting their own career. Even if you can string together a bunch of wins fighting fighters that you outweigh at catch-weights, you will either be denied a title shot due to missing weight on more than one occasion or you will never be able to make weight for the title fight. That is, in addition to the monetary losses.
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