Ben Rothwell feels "ripped off" by UFC 104 stoppage |
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ThaAxeMurderer7
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Ben Rothwell feels “ripped off” by the referee stoppage that ended his UFC 104 fight with heavyweight contender Cain Velasquez. Early in the second round, Steve Mazzagatti stepped in to wave the fight off whn Rothwell was trapped against the fence and taking undefended punches.
But at the exact moment Mazzagatti stepped in, Rothwell improved his position. To some, just one of those things, but Rothwell is still angry.
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Post #1 11/3/09 12:26:22AM
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xphycorx
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it might've been an early stoppage, but he was done anyways.
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Post #2 11/3/09 12:38:40AM
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xdanish020
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it was an early stoppage, but Cain dominated him
I had that first round 10-8
Rothwell was getting beat up bad in that fight
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Post #3 11/3/09 12:46:49AM
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ChokeUout
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Dear ben,
It was an early stoppage. It was mazzagatti, what do you expect.
But c'mon, you were getting taken down at will and absolutely battered while you were down there. YOu lost the first round 10-8 and were on your way to losing the second one big too. Cain was the fresher fighter and the more dominate one. You were finished. Give it a rest.
Yes, early stoppage, but that was a mere technicality. Stop your whining.
Sincerely,
ChokeUout
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Post #4 11/3/09 2:27:40AM
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PABLOMAFIOSO
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Just before the biginning of the second round the ref clearly told him if he took many more unanswered shots (like he did in the first round) that he would stop the fight. He was getting battered with his arm pinned and pressed up against the cage. The timing wasn't perfect but he was warned.
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Post #5 11/3/09 2:35:46AM
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mentalcase
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normally it would be an early but considering what happened before the stoppage it was justified the ref just saved him from more of a beating
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Post #6 11/3/09 2:52:42AM
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prozacnation1978
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it was a early stoppage i agree but rothwell was going down eventually
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Post #7 11/3/09 8:34:00AM
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Nightmare27
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The whole article is hilarious!!! The funniest part is that he actually believes that stuff.
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Post #8 11/3/09 9:26:21AM
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finnish_line
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If ever the case could be made for a 10-7 round...
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Post #9 11/3/09 9:29:00AM
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Rush
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Yeah, I agree Ben, you had him right where you wanted him and the fight was stopped before you made your big move.
As with most comments above, in terms of the small window of the fight when it was stopped, yeah it was a little premature. However, looking at the big picture, the stop was more than justified. Had it not been stopped, the fight would have just been like Creed vs. Drago in Rocky IV.
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Post #10 11/3/09 10:12:44AM
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cheesy-maggot
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Oh wow he thinks he lost the first round by a small margin...
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Post #11 11/3/09 10:42:25AM
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Boo_Radley21
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I don't like Rothwell. I'm glad he got beaten
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Post #12 11/3/09 1:10:30PM
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Jackelope
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Well, just trying to be realistic about the whole thing here-
It kind of goes with the territory of being a fighter that you have to believe in yourself. You don't want to leave anything out there or any opportunities to be second-guessed. If quitting is in your nature, then chances are you won't be a successful fighter. In that regard I can see exactly where Rothwell is coming from and I applaud his warrior's mentality.
I would never agree that he was winning the fight, lost the 1st round by a small margin, or even stood a chance at winning would the fight have gone on. That's a decision that should be allowed to be made by him, though. There are cases when a stoppage is most certainly warranted, but standing under your own power while taking a beating is not one. On the contrary, collapsed and unable to intelligently defend yourself while on the ground is a situation when the decision should be made by the ref.
These are things I would never expect the generally hyper-reactive average fan to understand, but if you take the hyper-reactive emotions and/or your own personal judgments out of the equation these might be points for you to consider before you pass judgment on Rothwell for making these comments.
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Post #13 11/3/09 1:40:18PM
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bjj1605
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"Shogun wasn't the only one robbed that night. So what If I lost the first round by a small margin?"
"I had a standing arm lock (kimura) basically given to me on a silver platter that I was setting up and Mazzagatti went and stole it from me. It was like he stole Thanksgiving day dinner from me right from underneath my nose."
"I figured out early that Cain is a decent wrestler"
So he's comparing his performance to Shogun. He feels he lost the first by a small margin. He thought he was setting up a submission. And Cain is only a "decent wrestler."
I actually used to like Rothwell but this makes me lose a lot of respect for him. Maybe Cain was hitting him even harder than I thought, who knows. But he was getting beaten baldly. The first round was absolutely 10-8 and could even be scored 10-7. Mazigatti saved him from a worse beating and in the context of the rest of the fight that stoppage was only slightly premature.
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Post #14 11/3/09 1:43:44PM
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submissionartist1
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Ben was in good shape but he hadnt fought in the UFC hes been out of the ring for awhile anyway. but he had gotten a warning about it already. his own fault.. I agree with the stopage
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Post #15 11/3/09 1:53:25PM
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