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nickcuc547
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Posted by BustedKnuckle
Both men should be embaressed about the performance put forth. But Rua didnt do enough to seal the deal. If you are going to beat the champion in a dec win it must be desicive. Sure he landed somthing like 45 leg kicks but they did nothing to stop Lyoto. Machida had Rua in trouble in a couple of instances but didnt capitalize. Lyoto looked lackluster as well.
Embarrased? I thought it was a pretty good fight, not fast paced but very tactical, both guys showed a lot of intelligence and talent. and the argument that you must beat a champ decisively is garbage, a fight is a fight and they are all fought by the same rules, round to round shogun won that fight, def. three rounds maybe even four; so shogun has to fight super aggressive and go for the kill, which plays right into machida's hands, to win the fight, that is garbage.
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Post #46 10/25/09 9:11:13PM
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postman
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Forrest and Rampage was a close fight that didn't go to the Champ and now that I nention it was won on leg kicks.
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Post #47 10/25/09 9:40:04PM
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durog
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Shogun won the fight, I hate to see this bs in combat sports, it ruined boxing and it will ruin mma.
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Post #48 10/25/09 10:06:53PM
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mizike
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Ok I was pissed and thought SHOGUN clearly beat machidas ass like I posted before. Now I went back and watched it in a better version and I still think Shogun won the fight just not as bad as I thought in the begining. Rd 1 could go to machida or shogun, but give it to machida, Rnd 2 shogun did more and won that round, it was close but clearer then rd 1, then rd 3 was close I thought shogun but could see it go to machida, so I can see the judges giving rd1 and 3 to machida but Rd 2 and 4 and 5 had to go to shogun at a minimum even after watching it again theres no result that I can see gives machida the nod. And then add on the hit counts, shogun wins in every aspect, and aggression, octagon control and damage, by the end of the fight Machidas face, body, and legs were destroyed, and he looked exhausted and shocked to have won, SHOGUN looked fresh with a red tummy thats it. NO WAY CAN U WATCH THE FIGHT AND GIVE IT TO MACHIDA. and yeah saying rogans commentary influenced is bull ****, I listened to his commentary the second time and like I thought, he supported machida just as much, said its tough with the judges and pointed out machidas hits as well as shoguns, but there were many more shogun hits then machida so shoguns name was being called alot more thats it. SOME GAY ASS **** WENT DOWN THERE.
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Post #49 10/25/09 10:37:06PM
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I am not really a fan of each fighter and if anything that fight was a draw. To call this "the worst decision in UFC history" is laughable. Randleman Rutten was ten times worse.
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Post #50 10/26/09 12:16:32AM
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OhLikeSam
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What sucks is that Shogun will think that he has to try to finish it in the rematch. Unfortunately that might cost him as Machida will know this. Shogun should of definitely been champ.
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Post #51 10/26/09 1:30:30AM
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Damn calm down people, I gave shogun 4/5 rounds but after watching the fight again, i still gave him 4/5 rounds but a lot of the rounds were pretty damn close.
If you think it was the worst decision ever just look at how we all scored the fight. 95% of us agree that shogun won the fight but none of us all agree on how many rounds or which rounds shogun won/loss...
Of the people who thought shogun won, some thought machida won the 5 round, some of us thought machida won the 1 round, while others thought Machida won the 3 round...
REWATCH Hamill vs Bisping that was the worst DEC. in History.
Did the judges get it wrong... Hell Yeah they did but people in this thread need to stop sayin Sh*t like, If you think Machida won then you dont know MMA. Thats just disrespectful and ignorant, everyone is entitled to there opinion.
When i watched the fight, by the end of it i was jumpin around yellin with excitement that the real shogun returned and that he was going to leave that night the UFC champ...
But the judges robbed me of my happiness. IT SUCKS, but there is a rematch on the way. (not soon enough though)
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Post #52 10/26/09 6:24:47AM
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the_01
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I think I have an idea why this happened, even though its very clear that Machida lost. The thing is, everybody put their money on Machida, and for him to lose, it would have been the next great depression. So, Machida winning saved alot of people alot of money.
Still, IM PISSED
And as for now, I cannot respect the UFC.
Im really SAD.
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Post #53 10/26/09 11:30:15AM
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Let's not blame the UFC here. They didn't pick the judges.
Anyways, for a different perspective- I was at the fight. Very close to the cage. It was really difficult to tell who won the fight. Machida's style makes it seem like he's losing just because he backs up so much. He caught Rua quite a few times with punches and counters that sounded like they landed with some pretty serious force. That being said, Rua also landed some good shots. I think what it comes down to really was the strikes thrown in the clinch. Machida landed some absolutely brutal knees to Rua's midsection, even if they didn't show up on his body as bad as the toe-print showed up on Machida's.
Overall when the decision came I could easily see it going to either fighter. Let's just hope the rematch sorts it out.
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Post #54 10/26/09 1:18:23PM
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The rematch will tell. As for now...
Win Mauricio Rua Decision (Unanimous) UFC 104 - Machida vs. Shogun 10/24/2009 5 5:00
And no matter how much you PMS and complain, it's not changing.
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Post #55 10/26/09 4:22:06PM
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Check this out:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/machida-i-was-superior-20576
I can't believe Machida actually said that, I have no respect towards the karate kid.
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Post #56 10/27/09 11:20:12AM
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Posted by nbf
Check this out:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/machida-i-was-superior-20576
I can't believe Machida actually said that, I have no respect towards the karate kid.
You know nothing about being a fighter. He wouldn't discredit himself and say that he lost, especially when he didn't. The official decision was made, and it was in his favor. Not to mention he has a rematch coming up with Shogun, why would he say he didn't win? It's not a good thing to do mentally. When you win, you win. That's the bottom line.
None of us know about judging better than the people that are professionally doing it. I will take Cecil Peoples and Marcos Rosales over anyone on the internet.
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Post #57 10/27/09 12:09:03PM
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i agree that theres no reason for machida to say anything other than what he did, but ill take 90% of the people on the internet over cecil peoples any day.
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Post #58 10/27/09 12:37:53PM
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Posted by Macheetah
Posted by nbf
Check this out:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/machida-i-was-superior-20576
I can't believe Machida actually said that, I have no respect towards the karate kid.
You know nothing about being a fighter. He wouldn't discredit himself and say that he lost, especially when he didn't. The official decision was made, and it was in his favor. Not to mention he has a rematch coming up with Shogun, why would he say he didn't win? It's not a good thing to do mentally. When you win, you win. That's the bottom line.
None of us know about judging better than the people that are professionally doing it. I will take Cecil Peoples and Marcos Rosales over anyone on the internet.
 i wouldnt!!
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Post #59 10/27/09 2:46:39PM
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Macheetah
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Posted by george112
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Posted by nbf
Check this out:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/machida-i-was-superior-20576
I can't believe Machida actually said that, I have no respect towards the karate kid.
You know nothing about being a fighter. He wouldn't discredit himself and say that he lost, especially when he didn't. The official decision was made, and it was in his favor. Not to mention he has a rematch coming up with Shogun, why would he say he didn't win? It's not a good thing to do mentally. When you win, you win. That's the bottom line.
None of us know about judging better than the people that are professionally doing it. I will take Cecil Peoples and Marcos Rosales over anyone on the internet.
i wouldnt!!
Why is that? MMA "fans" aka "casual fans" aka the ones that are complaining about this decision don't know how much goes into judging a fight. They are close minded and they believe that whoever lands more strikes, whether is it 1 or more and whoever does more damage wins the fight. I've seriously seen people saying that Shogun won the fight because Machida's lip was cut and his ribs had a mark on them.
I don't know how long Cecil Peoples has been judging fights, but I'm sure he has spent the majority of his life doing it as a career and sure as hell knows about the game alot more than any person on the internet. People talk and complain just because they can. Everyone on the internet who thinks they can judge better than a professional is an idiot and it's a perfect example of any average joe sports fan yelling at their TV thinking that their opinion matters. It doesn't.
Machida won, 48-47. It's official and it's not changing. So you should start looking forward to the rematch and forget about the past.
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