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Machida, Rua Agree to 'Immediate Rematch'

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Get ready to crown the REAL light heavyweight champ soon

Post #16   10/25/09 1:34:40PM   

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Posted by Giant_Ochai

Glad to see Machida didn't pull the "We already fought. I'm not fighting him again. I won." card.




he might of. his english isn't very good yet.

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Post #17   10/25/09 1:48:42PM   

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Posted by Mhunt1140

Shogun won that fight hands down. I have no idea how the judges scored it differently. I can't wait for the rematch.

This is what pisses me off about the UFC!



The UFC has nothign to do with the judges.

Post #18   10/25/09 1:49:38PM   

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Going into this fight I was not a fan persay of either fighter, but I had a feeling it would be much closer then alot of people were saying including myself. So when that decision was announced I was more shocked then I have ever been in my life. Shogun won IMO 4 rounds to 1, atleast 3 to 2. I ended up leavin the bar I watched it at in a bad mood and I dont even care for either fighter.

This judging BS needs to change soon. Its really dissapointing to think Shogun could lose this rematch and not have the title when he should deservedly have it right now.

Post #19   10/25/09 2:10:33PM   

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Shogun got robbed and its a damn shame, all these judges should have to be thrown into the octagon with Shogun for a round of punishment

Post #20   10/25/09 2:22:59PM   

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I am a huge Machida fan...but he lost. He knew he lost too. Shogun changed the look in the Dragon's eyes. Lyoto had never been "challenged" like that. He had never been hurt like that. He had never been as bewildered as that. The Dragon's leg and ribs were hurting "somethin' fierce". It took the Dragon till the third round to figure Shogun out...and just when he did...Shogun changed it up. Lyoto's eyes showed disappointment, fear, desperation, amazement and shock. There should be an immediate rematch. I hope Lyoto learns from his mistakes, He needs to get in on Shogun...do some damage and get out without taking damage himself. Besides a few attacks near the end of the fight, Lyoto would not commit. Lyoto took a heavy hook to the head in one of the early rounds...that one scared him off good. The kicks to the legs and ribs did their job from the outside. Shogun won the fight. He physically and mentally beat the Dragon. A gentlemen above me said "that is why I don't like the UFC"...Judges and Referees have nothing to do with the UFC...they are hired by and work for whatever sanctioning (athletic commission) body is sanctioning the fight. The rematch should be a war. Lyoto will want to finish Shogun off to prove he is the champ...and Shogun will definitely try to do the same...to keep it away from the Judges.

Post #21   10/25/09 2:44:51PM   

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Machida is a methodical (boring) fighter and you have to be willing to fight at that slow pace to beat him. Shogun went into this fight knowing that Machida can't finish anyone unless they come in aggressive and chase him (Silva) or get impatient (Evans). Shogun attacked the legs, worked his kicks, got in and out of exchanges quick, and didn't over commit on takedowns. He fought the perfect fight to beat Machida, based on what we have seen from him so far. He won that fight plain and simple. Shogun's hard work was wasted in this fight because of bad judging.

Now that bad judging will affect the rematch. Machida will most certainly make adjustments to take away the things that were most effective for Shogun. So now Shogun will have to come up with a new game plan to win. I promise you there will be no more aggression out of Machida. Even when Machida was criticized for being boring, he didn't change a thing. We could see more aggression out of Shogun, which works in the favor of Machida. If Shogun fights pretty much the same fight, with only a little more aggression, he should win. If he goes in thinking he must have a finish to get that belt, he could walk into a Machida KO or end up losing a one sided decision.

Post #22   10/25/09 4:35:29PM   

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I'm not a huge fan of ethier guys (well atleast not Rua since his pride days, but he finally came back to his old self and he looked pretty tight) and I was pulling more for Machida, but Shogun worked him for 3 solid rds. I don't think the problem is with the 10 point judging system, but with the judges. The judges always favor the champ and if it's close they give it to the champ, bu tit wasn't even closer IMO.

Also, has anyone else noticed that the majority of poor judging decision, always seem to have Cecil Peoples involved in them??

Post #23   10/25/09 4:36:12PM   

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I guess im the only one who thinks Machida won huh

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Posted by KipDynamite

I guess im the only one who thinks Machida won huh



You and the judges.

Post #25   10/25/09 5:54:40PM   

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Holy Sh*t, the swing of fans is incredible in here.

I have to eat my words, i gave shogun no chance to win this, but i was wrong.

Shogun made me really happy last night throughout the entire fight, and at the end i was runnin around yellin Shogun Is The UFC Champ.

Only to be robbed of my happiness by horrible Judging...

I dont know what to say, I am really, extremely, disappointed about this situation...

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Itll be interesting to see if both fighters go for the finish or take an even more conservative approach. shoguns corner told him to just play it safe in between rounds 4 and 5 because they thought he was up on points(as most everyone else in the arena except for three).

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Posted by greshamfighter

Itll be interesting to see if both fighters go for the finish or take an even more conservative approach. shoguns corner told him to just play it safe in between rounds 4 and 5 because they thought he was up on points(as most everyone else in the arena except for three).



I read something on bloodyelbow.com saying Shogun should be angry with his corner for telling him to play it so safe in Rd 5. Machida's legs looked pretty beatup and he appeared somewhat gassed. Maybe Shogun should have tried to go for the kill, but who knows. Hindsight is 20/20.

While watching the fight last night I thought all he had to do was not get KO'd in Rd 5 and he'd win. Everyone I watched the fight with thought the same thing. I figured he'd taken every round, although we though Machida may have taken Rd 1.

It will be interesting to see if they are more aggressive or more conservative. Shogun could probably employ the exact same strategy through the beggining of the fight, and maybe be a little more aggressive towards the end.

Post #28   10/25/09 7:19:26PM   

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It is true that the fight was tactical...it is more true to say that this fights' entertainment value on a scale of 1-10 was about a 2. I ws bored but impressed that Rua stayed so disciplined. He beat up Lyoto pretty good and the Dragon looked tired and frustrated by the end of the fight. He had no answer for the leg kicks, and the majority of his shots---when he actually threw them which was RARE---were blocked on Rua's elbows and cover up defense.

This is a terrible rematch and will be as boring the second time as it was the first time. What is Lyoto going to do turn into something other than a counterpuncher? He'll stay a counter puncher and wait. Will Rua suddenly throw caution to the wind and use a different game plan? That's the only future outcome. If Rua becomes more aggressive he "might" win the judges scores, but he'll also play into the counter punchers hands.

Lyoto did NOTHING to win that fight and as a consolation we have to be subjected to another 5 boring rounds? I'd just as soon crown Rua the champ in my mind and see him fight someone else who is a more interesting match up where he doesn't have to follow such a rigid gameplan.

I don't watch the UFC just to watch champs---I watch to be entertained by fights. I can appreciate technical approaches as a former boxing practitioner, martial arts practitioner, and a person who formerly trained in MMA---but as a person who payed 50 bucks I feel ripped off....

I was wondering when MMA would become boxing at its worst.

Rua was robbed. Lyoto isn't the champ anymore but he gets to keep the belt. So what. Give me a REAL fight next time by giving me better matchups instead of Rua v. Machida 2. Yawn....

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Post #29   10/25/09 7:34:43PM   

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and for the record, I bet on Lyoto. the only person in my group of guys watching the fight that thought Rua would win was the drunk guy who though the "Bad boy" eyes on Rua's trunks were hilarious.

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