Benson Henderson: superhuman? |
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MadNuke
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 161-98
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Central MD
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How on earth did that man manage to hold his breath for long enough to escape two length chokes, and then on top of that work his way out of two of the nastiest arm bars I've ever seen. For crying out loud, he practically dislocated his shoulder and then somersaulted out of it. And Cerrone is a submission SPECIALIST! I truly though Henderson was DONE at least 4 separate times. Luckily I wagered 500 on him to win, I'm definitely a solid fan of his now.
Thoughts??
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Post #1 10/11/09 12:42:10AM
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RyanC
MMA Sensei
Career record: 435-279
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Hastings, MN
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HAHA. I basically just made this same post. I was blown away by the fight tonight. Very competitive, very entertaining. WEC is something I haven't really given a lot of interest to before tonight, but I think I'm hooked now. Henderson was unbelievable tonight.
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Post #2 10/11/09 12:45:43AM
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Post_Oakley
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 0-0
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Location: Amsterdam
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Posted by RyanC
HAHA. I basically just made this same post. I was blown away by the fight tonight. Very competitive, very entertaining. WEC is something I haven't really given a lot of interest to before tonight, but I think I'm hooked now. Henderson was unbelievable tonight.
i agree WEC was on its game tonight.awesome card 
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Post #3 10/11/09 12:47:30AM
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miphi1991
MMA Regular
Career record: 80-51
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Maryland
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With the armbars and shoulderlocks i almost thought he was on drugs...even huerta showed some pain he didnt even look like he felt it. but the chokes i have no explanation for even someone spiked on PCP needs oxygen. I can only conclude that Henderson was blessed with anti-jujitsu magic powers
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Post #4 10/11/09 12:48:43AM
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MadNuke
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 161-98
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Central MD
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That's what I'm sayin'! I mean experienced BJJ players will know to hold their breath during a submission attempt and not panic while working to escape or create breathing space, but henderson was just laying there and cerrone had an almost reverse-RNC guillotine hybrid locked up and benson just lays on the ground for a good 30 seconds and then rolls over and stands up....that guy has incredible self control. I don't care HOW much you pay me, when my shoulder *pops* like that, I don't just somersault and run away...twice. This is potentially my all-time favorite fight.
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Post #5 10/11/09 12:52:23AM
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Jackelope
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Career record: 586-330
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Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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Since Ben Henderson has been in the WEC and on our Secondary League picks I've made a loooot of fantasy money off of him. Cat's out of the bag, now.
I am not going to sit here and give an explanation for how Benson could do it, but let's just say that the school he trains at is visited frequently and is owned by Royce Gracie.
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Post #6 10/11/09 12:55:32AM
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RyanC
MMA Sensei
Career record: 435-279
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Hastings, MN
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Posted by MadNuke
This is potentially my all-time favorite fight.
I'm totally with you on this one. The submission attempts and escapes made this about as entertaining as it gets for me. I like good striking, and KO's, but I LOVE good submissions, and escapes, and reversals. This was an amazing fight for me. LOVED IT.
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Post #7 10/11/09 12:55:34AM
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MadNuke
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 161-98
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Central MD
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Unable to give props to RyanC and Jackelope...need to spread it around :P
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Post #8 10/11/09 12:56:59AM
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MadNuke
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 161-98
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Central MD
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Posted by RyanC
Posted by MadNuke
This is potentially my all-time favorite fight.
I'm totally with you on this one. The submission attempts and escapes made this about as entertaining as it gets for me. I like good striking, and KO's, but I LOVE good submissions, and escapes, and reversals. This was an amazing fight for me. LOVED IT.
Definitely...It was nonstop ground transitions, the likes of which are often only seen in BJJ competitions...Henderson kept getting caught in some really interesting positions but always managed to stay safe. Cerrone got straight up taken down like 3 to 5 times, and Cerrone has incredible takedown defense with his super long legs. I had no idea that Henderon's BJJ was that good at all, it makes his style of going with the flow and riding out storms insanely effective, and it's good to see he's toned down the killer instinct just a bit to stay a little safer on the ground...I can't wait to see him fight Varner
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Post #9 10/11/09 1:00:40AM
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RyanC
MMA Sensei
Career record: 435-279
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Hastings, MN
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Posted by MadNuke
Unable to give props to RyanC and Jackelope...need to spread it around :P
Thanks man. I'm just thrilled to hear someone else loved this fight as much as I did. Can't wait for November.
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Post #10 10/11/09 1:01:15AM
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MadNuke
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 161-98
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Central MD
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Posted by Jackelope
Since Ben Henderson has been in the WEC and on our Secondary League picks I've made a loooot of fantasy money off of him. Cat's out of the bag, now.
I am not going to sit here and give an explanation for how Benson could do it, but let's just say that the school he trains at is visited frequently and is owned by Royce Gracie.
Insightful post. I've only seen him for the first time in his very first WEC event. As much as "tips and tricks" are wholly ineffective in general, if anyone can offer profoundly effective and practical advice for submission safety, it's Royce Gracie. Still, there are many Gracia fighters who tap at far earlier stages of submissions than it seemed Henderson got into...his heart is insane
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Post #11 10/11/09 1:03:10AM
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Jackelope
Go ahead, MOD my day
Career record: 586-330
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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Posted by MadNuke
Posted by RyanC
Posted by MadNuke
This is potentially my all-time favorite fight.
I'm totally with you on this one. The submission attempts and escapes made this about as entertaining as it gets for me. I like good striking, and KO's, but I LOVE good submissions, and escapes, and reversals. This was an amazing fight for me. LOVED IT.
Definitely...It was nonstop ground transitions, the likes of which are often only seen in BJJ competitions...Henderson kept getting caught in some really interesting positions but always managed to stay safe. Cerrone got straight up taken down like 3 to 5 times, and Cerrone has incredible takedown defense with his super long legs. I had no idea that Henderon's BJJ was that good at all, it makes his style of going with the flow and riding out storms insanely effective, and it's good to see he's toned down the killer instinct just a bit to stay a little safer on the ground...I can't wait to see him fight Varner
Well he's got a whole 'nother thing coming when he fights Jamie Varner. Henderson's standup game needs a lot of work, and Jamie is a hell of a lot more powerful wrestler than Benson is.
That being said, Benson has a knack for survival, and Jamie is very large and cuts a lot of weight going into fights. Based on this, if Benson can take the fight late he would more than likely have better cardio in rounds 4 and 5 against Varner. Would it be enough to steal a decision and/or lock in a submission? Probably not, but you never know.
I can't see a fight between Varner and Henderson going past round 2 to be honest. Jamie hits like a truck and executes takedowns like a freight train. If he connected on Henderson's jaw or got top position on the ground it's going to be a short night for Henderson.
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Post #12 10/11/09 1:05:39AM
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Jackelope
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Posted by MadNuke
Posted by Jackelope
Since Ben Henderson has been in the WEC and on our Secondary League picks I've made a loooot of fantasy money off of him. Cat's out of the bag, now.
I am not going to sit here and give an explanation for how Benson could do it, but let's just say that the school he trains at is visited frequently and is owned by Royce Gracie.
Insightful post. I've only seen him for the first time in his very first WEC event. As much as "tips and tricks" are wholly ineffective in general, if anyone can offer profoundly effective and practical advice for submission safety, it's Royce Gracie. Still, there are many Gracia fighters who tap at far earlier stages of submissions than it seemed Henderson got into...his heart is insane
Agreed- Henderson has heart. I'd say composure is a better word to use since being calm and composed helps with submissions a hell of a lot more than heart does, but he's definitely loaded with both of those.
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Post #13 10/11/09 1:07:42AM
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miphi1991
MMA Regular
Career record: 80-51
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Maryland
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Did anyone else hear the grey haired guy in the suit telling Henderson to call out Varner before they started interviewing him lol?
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Post #14 10/11/09 1:22:38AM
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bjj1605
MMA Sensei
Career record: 889-537
Season: 20-4 (#531)
Location: Chicago
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It was a great fight and I wasn't surprised that Ben Henderson got the decision, but I wasn't surprised because MMA judges are consistently stupid. If you understand the ground game at all you give that fight to Donald Cerrone. IMO "The Cowboy" won the first round based on his two close subs. The Second and Third should go to Henderson because he neutralized the subs, got the takedowns, and landed some good ground and pound. The fourth round was all Cerrone (striking, sub attempts, takedown defense) and could arguably been 10-8. The fifth round was obviously Cerrone as well but Ben's limited offense made it a sure 10-9. Submission defense shouldn't count for points.
Still a great effort by Ben. He's very tough and I'll be excited to see him in the future. I agree "Gumby" should replace "Smooth" as his nickname.
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Post #15 10/11/09 1:26:57AM
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