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forget the hate tats for a minute...

what I wanna know is.... why this dude spells his name the "chick way" with an "i".. instead of the dude way with a "y".

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hes from europe

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Posted by Mayhem13

forget the hate tats for a minute...

what I wanna know is.... why this dude spells his name the "chick way" with an "i".. instead of the dude way with a "y".




Short for Antonio?

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This may have been touched on he also has White Pride accross his back. He needs to wear a neoprean sleve on his arm to cover it IMO. His back not sure he can do anything about that.





Well, considering nobody even questions Cain Valasquez's brown pride tattoo im not sure its really fair to question a white pride tattoo either. Keeping in mind Cain is fighting on PPV cards infront on millions of people showing his tattoo.



I gotta agree with you on this Aaronn9.

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I'm sure Fairtex and Sprawl are just thrilled about having their brands sported by Mr. Eurotrash.

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I bet the majority of the people posting in this thread didn't even read the article. In there, he clearly says he no longer supports the Nazi party and that he is not proud of the tattoo.

"I had a crazy and rebellious youth, I made some faults in my past and I am not proud of these marks. I regret that I ever had these tattoos made. Nowadays I am a dedicated family man and professional athlete, and I am not involved in any politics whatsoever."

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Posted by MMA_Alex

I bet the majority of the people posting in this thread didn't even read the article. In there, he clearly says he no longer supports the Nazi party and that he is not proud of the tattoo.

"I had a crazy and rebellious youth, I made some faults in my past and I am not proud of these marks. I regret that I ever had these tattoos made. Nowadays I am a dedicated family man and professional athlete, and I am not involved in any politics whatsoever."



I didn't read it but I saw inside MMA and they had a feature on this on friday so I knew about his claims. My question is why have you not at leats got the swastika filled in? Problem solved!

Aaronn9 I didn't know about Cains Tat my question is are there any racist undertones in the words Brown Pride? We all know White Pride has a negative meaning and has very little to do with actualy being Proud to be white and has more to do with disliking other races. I always took brown Pride as more of a pride of heratige then a dislike towards others. I could be completely wrong.

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I wonder if UFC people were at work on this one, it was front page of my yahoo last night. Far from front page news if you ask me.

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Posted by mrsmiley


Posted by Aaronno9


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This may have been touched on he also has White Pride accross his back. He needs to wear a neoprean sleve on his arm to cover it IMO. His back not sure he can do anything about that.





Well, considering nobody even questions Cain Valasquez's brown pride tattoo im not sure its really fair to question a white pride tattoo either. Keeping in mind Cain is fighting on PPV cards infront on millions of people showing his tattoo.



I gotta agree with you on this Aaronn9.



Well in short brown pride doesn't promote the murder and genocide of a race of people. It is estimated the Nazi's murdered over 20 Million people. Not only is this hugely disrespectful to a huge amount of people but it also is really bad for the image of MMA. Now free speech is every mans right but turn around is fair play. I have every right to boycott any promotion that lets him fight. Not that I wasn't already boycotting M-1. By letting him fight says one of two things. 1. Your sympathetic of his hate or 2. To stupid to not truly understand its meaning and the affect it has on others.

I think StrikeForce really needs to take a look at who they are in bed with before they feel the back lash of this. I find it funny how many people seam to think it no big deal. Huge amounts of people died fighting against the Nazi's and they tried to exterminate a race or people. This guy has something on his body that says I support what the Nazi's did. His promotion that let him fight now has direct ties to StrikeForce which has direct links to Viacom.

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in all fairness tel, they were addressing the white pride tattoo on his back and comparing it to the brown pride tat on cain. the swastika cant be defended no matter what, but it is a relevant point that the white pride tat isnt as wholly acceptable as brown pride tat. when i hear "white pride" i tend to think that it has racist implications, when i hear "brown pride" i think its more about actual pride and not some underlying hatred for other people. white racists ruined anyone using the term "white pride" because its well known to be more of a hateful thing than a pride thing, its become a definite no-no.

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Posted by cowcatcher

in all fairness tel, they were addressing the white pride tattoo on his back and comparing it to the brown pride tat on cain. the swastika cant be defended no matter what, but it is a relevant point that the white pride tat isnt as wholly acceptable as brown pride tat. when i hear "white pride" i tend to think that it has racist implications, when i hear "brown pride" i think its more about actual pride and not some underlying hatred for other people. white racists ruined anyone using the term "white pride" because its well known to be more of a hateful thing than a pride thing, its become a definite no-no.



True but either way comparing someone wearing a swastika and White Pride to someone that has Brown Pride is a huge difference.

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i agree completely tel, its obviously about hate and not pride.

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Sorry guys, the ignorance concerning this fascist idiot makes me f'in sick.

1. This is without ANY doubt a tattoo of a soldier carrying a flag of nazi germany on his arm. Means he is, as long as he is not too ashamed of wearing it on his skin, a supporter of National Socialism and the holocaust of 6 million european jews, mostly murdered in an industrial way in concentration camps.
Not to mention the millions killed while aussaulting dozens of countries in world war II.

2. He has two white pride/white power symbols tattoed (back and chest). This movement is without ANY doubt right wing racist and antisemitic. It believes in the superiority of the white race which implifies not only judging people by the colour of their skin but believing non white people are nothing more worth than ****.
(black or brown pride/power on the contrary was mainly a resistance movement against racist oppression from a white majority, coming from a history of slavery! If anybody really wants to tell me that this is the same, must be a goddamn fool!)

3. Another tat says "born to hate" on his belly.

His youth must not only have been idiotic, he must have been the biggest dickhead around. i would'nt be suprised if he was heavily active beating up people who actually had a brain not to believe in his racist views or only had a different skin colour.

A lot of you referring to the freedom of speech, which is indeed one of the most important accomplishment of liberal society. But in this case, youre talking about an attitude, which itself wants to abolish the freedom of speech (and alot more than that) and you just can't tolerate that, if you're interested in keeping your freedom.

In Germany, you go to jail for showing a swastika and/or white power symbols in public. For M-1 it's f'in shameful they let this guy fighting.

And concerning him saying it was his rebellic youth, that is by no means an excuse to not get rid of this tattoed bs. This would be done in a few hours, if would care about it and understand, why this is still offensive to everyone who has a f'n mind. In my opinion, he also needs to make you believe he is not into that fascist hatred anymore and instead knows about the suffering the nazis caused to innocent people. He also should be held responsible to get active against the spread of fascist believes in his country. For example educate the growing youth about what this hatred is about and why it's f'in wrong. Use your knowledge and help to destroy nazi networks, get kids out of that scene and drive them to something useful etc.

DO SOME F'N ANTIFASCIST WORK, and make people believing you that you have changed!! Then, it would be alright to have him reach for something with public interest. period.

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"brown pride" is a gang that was recently showcased on the show "gangland" on the history channel. they are localized in nashville tennessee. just saying. off topic.

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i think any kind of Pride to do with one's skin colour or nationality is stupid, Pride is something that should only be gained though personal achievement not what colour you were born

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