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I came in thinking Maia is a definite win with this, but with other input from other forums, that is NOT the global opinion.

So, being as one of the favorites members here, I thought Id ask what you guys thought about this one and why.

Post #1   8/26/09 12:37:38PM   

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I think its foolish to think Maia is a definate win. He has a shot to win but how you can say definate confuses me.

Post #2   8/26/09 12:42:24PM   

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I agree, Nate's the kind of guy you either outstrike or outgrapple but you don't outdo him in both. All I can say is Maia isn't the striker that Nate is at all

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All I can say is Maia isn't the striker that Nate is at all


To be fair though, Nate isn't the grappler that Maia is at all either.

I think Nate is awesome, super well rounded, a beast of a man and a classy individual.

But I'm on the Maia bandwagon, and he basically won me over after the 3 round battle at UFC 87 with Jason MacDonald...

The lines have Maia at +125 to +140 at some books, which is about 2.25-2.4 to 1 on the money... I was going for Maia from the start, and I'm not going to change my mind.

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Posted by KaibaThedon


All I can say is Maia isn't the striker that Nate is at all


To be fair though, Nate isn't the grappler that Maia is at all either.

I think Nate is awesome, super well rounded, a beast of a man and a classy individual.

But I'm on the Maia bandwagon, and he basically won me over after the 3 round battle at UFC 87 with Jason MacDonald...

The lines have Maia at +125 to +140 at some books, which is about 2.25-2.4 to 1 on the money... I was going for Maia from the start, and I'm not going to change my mind.

WAR MAIA!


Totally agreed on the grappling part, I'm a fan of Maia as well. But I just think Nate's experience might be the clincher

+140 really? I'm surprised he's that below on the lines. I would be thinking he would be +100 or so

Post #5   8/26/09 1:12:22PM   

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i just read Sherdog's breakdown of this fight and here is a quote from it:


The difference maker this time around will be Maia’s wrestling, as Marquardt struggles to keep him at bay before learning the same lesson Chael Sonnen learned against Maia -- some of these jiu-jitsu guys have that wrestling stuff pretty well figured out.


i think Maia's only shot to win this fight is to take Nate down and submit him but they think Maia has good enough wrestling to get Marquardt down? are you kidding me? Marquardt will be able to keep this fight standing and pick Maia apart for a TKO.

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Posted by copcopps


Posted by KaibaThedon


All I can say is Maia isn't the striker that Nate is at all


To be fair though, Nate isn't the grappler that Maia is at all either.

I think Nate is awesome, super well rounded, a beast of a man and a classy individual.

But I'm on the Maia bandwagon, and he basically won me over after the 3 round battle at UFC 87 with Jason MacDonald...

The lines have Maia at +125 to +140 at some books, which is about 2.25-2.4 to 1 on the money... I was going for Maia from the start, and I'm not going to change my mind.

WAR MAIA!


Totally agreed on the grappling part, I'm a fan of Maia as well. But I just think Nate's experience might be the clincher

+140 really? I'm surprised he's that below on the lines. I would be thinking he would be +100 or so



agree with you on the grappling as well but I don't know if maia is the wrestler marquardt is. that's 2 out of 3 for marquardt, that's my pick, uses his wrestling to keep the fight standing

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Posted by KaibaThedon


All I can say is Maia isn't the striker that Nate is at all


To be fair though, Nate isn't the grappler that Maia is at all either.

I think Nate is awesome, super well rounded, a beast of a man and a classy individual.

But I'm on the Maia bandwagon, and he basically won me over after the 3 round battle at UFC 87 with Jason MacDonald...



We all knew Maia could submit MacDonald, given enough time...problem is Jason didn't implement a good game plan and basically gave the fight away. Maia didn't impress me as much in this fight as others, because his opponent played to his strengths, instead of his weaknesses.

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Post #8   8/26/09 1:46:10PM   

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The differences in the advantages for both fighters sways toward Marquardt heavily.

Marquardt is a much much more advanced striker than Maia
Marquardt has the massive advantage in size
Marquardt is years ahead of him with wrestling
Maia's BJJ is only a step or two ahead of Nate's.

People tend to forget how "great" of an overall grappler is. He is a black belt under Ricardo Murgel. Nate has enough experience and training to know what to and not to do against someone of maia's caliber

Maia's ONLY chance is to sub Nate where as Nate can use wrestling to UD Maia



EDIT: I dont want to argue the point, but long time wrestlers with training in BJJ have been extremely dominant against long time BJJ practitioners learning wrestling

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Post #9   8/26/09 1:58:40PM   

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I highliy doubt Maia will be able to take him to the ground. Nate is way bigger, stronger, and explosive. I think Nate can keep this on the feet, and win by either tko or a decision.

WAR MARQUARDT

Post #10   8/26/09 2:00:18PM   

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As i said in another post Maia is a lefty which is tricky for some fighters to deal with. I think Nate is a great all around fighter but i dont think he is going to know exactly what he is dealing with grappling wise until its too late. Maia is a crafty dude that makes Black belts look bad which is saying alot plus he knows how to use his BJJ in an MMA fight probably better than anybody. Maia 2nd RND Sub

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i just can't pick against maia
if he losses at least i'll know it was a solid pick for me with no doubt

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Posted by KaibaThedon


All I can say is Maia isn't the striker that Nate is at all


To be fair though, Nate isn't the grappler that Maia is at all either.

I think Nate is awesome, super well rounded, a beast of a man and a classy individual.

But I'm on the Maia bandwagon, and he basically won me over after the 3 round battle at UFC 87 with Jason MacDonald...



We all knew Maia could submit MacDonald, given enough time...problem is Jason didn't implement a good game plan and basically gave the fight away. Maia didn't impress me as much in this fight as others, because his opponent played to his strengths, instead of his weaknesses.



Funny thing is Jason hung with Maia for a long time on the ground. Nate is a 2nd degree blackbelt I agree Maia is better on the ground too but I think If it goes to the mat it isn't a death sentence for Nate.

Post #13   8/26/09 5:03:12PM   

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i think Maia's only shot to win this fight is to take Nate down and submit him but they think Maia has good enough wrestling to get Marquardt down? are you kidding me? Marquardt will be able to keep this fight standing and pick Maia apart for a TKO.



Your funny. Obviously you have not watched Maia fight. I know Marquardt is an outstanding fighter but you are completly delusional if you think that Nate will be able to stop his takedowns. You should probably learn Brazilian Jiu jitsu then talk about what Maia can and cant do. I say 80% chance that Maia wins this fight. He could get knocked out going in for his shot it happens. If it goes to the ground at all its over for Nate.

Post #14   8/26/09 5:52:50PM   

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I actually am willing to give Maia a chance. I think he could take it. It won't be easy, but then again, I just don't think much of Marquardt after the Thales fight.

Post #15   8/26/09 7:22:36PM   
 
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