Shane Carwin vs. Cain Velasquez in works for UFC 104 in Los Angeles on Oct. 24 |
| Posted By |
Message |
Wolfenstein
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 635-366
Season: 40-10 (#11)
Location: Massachusetts
|
A heavyweight contest between top undefeated prospects Shane Carwin (11-0 MMA, 3-0 UFC) and Cain Velasquez (6-0 MMA, 4-0 UFC) is currently in the works for UFC 104.
link
|
|
Post #1 7/1/09 6:54:55PM
|
|
|
WheelchairBandit
Standup Guy
Career record: 354-218
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Eureka,CA
|
Hmmmm......I have the feeling this means that the winner of the fight won't be the next person to have a crack at the HW belt,since the soonest they could fight would be early 2010,which would mean the HW belt would only be up for grabs once in 2009.
Which means the winner of Couture-Nog will most likely fight for the belt in the late fall/early winter.
For those guy's sake,I hope Mir wins on the 11th.......
WB.
|
|
Post #2 7/1/09 7:01:24PM
|
Advertisement |
|
Jackelope
Go ahead, MOD my day
Career record: 586-330
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
|
I don't like it. Unless it's for #1 contendership. Which I suspect that it probably is. So, I guess I sort of do like it.
I suppose what it boils down to is that I would just like to see 1 more big fight on each of these guys' resume before they go for #1 contendership. It speaks to the lack of competition at HW. I'd just like to see these guys built completely separate from one another. Think about it- if Carwin or Velasquez wins, and then fights for the title and lose- who's next? Wouldn't it be better if they both took another fight against top contenders so that if one loses to the HW champ there will be a contender waiting in the wings instead of no one?
I just feel like each of these guys will need an extra fight before they're ready for the belt, and that each is good enough to get a crack at it after that fight.
|
|
Post #3 7/1/09 7:07:31PM
|
nickcuc547
BANNED
Career record: 384-223
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location:
|
best available fight for both guys now, all the other "contenders" already have fights lined up for them. as for the fight itself, i like carwin, guy has hands of steel and even if he has a disadvantage in the wrestling department, i don't think it's enough where velasquez will be able to dodge that ridiculously powerful right hand of carwin's.
|
|
Post #4 7/1/09 7:09:12PM
|
D0wnUnd6e6r
SUUUUUUUUUGA
Career record: 670-370
Season: 35-15 (#849)
Location: Omnipresent
|
tooooooooooooooo early 
|
|
Post #5 7/1/09 7:12:42PM
|
Wolfenstein
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 635-366
Season: 40-10 (#11)
Location: Massachusetts
|
I feel like this was inevitable, and frankly I don't really understand why fans are so intent on these two running parallel to one another.
They've both had 4 fights each in the UFC, and both just recently knocked off a top contender. Now the kid gloves are off--there's no more careful handling--it's time to showcase who's the real deal rising star in the division.
I don't think a loss will shatter either guys career. They're both undefeated, so one guy will just have to face some real adversity for once in his career, and we'll see if he has the stuff to be able to go back to the drawing board and come back stronger.
I wasn't really overtly impressed by either guys last performance despite both coming out on top. Carwin showed he has heavy hands, but is still lacking in technical skill. Velasquez proved he has heart, but every time his chin was touched he turned to rubber, and his power is in question now as well.
I will probably go with Carwin in this matchup. His power is just devestating, and he can probably keep this one standing. Maybe even get a takedown and work his earth-rumbling GnP.
|
|
Post #6 7/1/09 7:29:43PM
|
lohmann
A Black Belt in Jiu-Jitsu
Career record: 576-312
Season: 39-11 (#4)
Location: United States
|
I love Carwin's honesty. I won't be surprised when it gets him in trouble eventually though.
If Carwin landed the shots Kongo did in the first and second rounds, there's no way Velasquez can fall straight into him and drag him to the mat easily. However, there's questions about Carwin's chin too. He had a great sense of space clinching with Gonzaga after he was rocked. But I doubt Velasquez holds the power Gonzaga has. Interesting fight. Hope it answers some questions.
|
|
Post #7 7/1/09 7:58:43PM
|
sparky
MMA Sensei
Career record: 714-367
Season: 36-14 (#758)
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
|
Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r
tooooooooooooooo early
Agreed!!!!
|
|
Post #8 7/1/09 9:27:48PM
|
lohmann
A Black Belt in Jiu-Jitsu
Career record: 576-312
Season: 39-11 (#4)
Location: United States
|
Posted by sparky
Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r
tooooooooooooooo early
Agreed!!!!
Carwin knocked out Gonzaga. Velasquez dominated Kongo. What else is there to do for these two fighters?
|
|
Post #9 7/1/09 9:34:31PM
|
Jackelope
Go ahead, MOD my day
Career record: 586-330
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
|
Posted by lohmann
Posted by sparky
Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r
tooooooooooooooo early
Agreed!!!!
Carwin knocked out Gonzaga. Velasquez dominated Kongo. What else is there to do for these two fighters?
Despite my earlier post I agree with this statement. I just think if anything this shows how limited the depth in the UFC's HW division is.
I mean, think about it this way- Should Cain Velasquez win you'll have a guy with 7 career total fights going up against a guy who has 6 career total fights for the HW belt. That just doesn't add up IMO. It shows how weak the HW division is.
I feel like Carwin proved more by beating Gonzaga than Cain did by beating Kongo. They both showed they can last through adversity, but Carwin showed he could get back to his feet after being rocked by a powerful, powerful striker in Gonzaga, and he also showed he can get back up from the bottom against someone who probably has some of the most devastating top game BJJ of all HW's.
Cain, on the other hand, proved something we know, and 1 thing we didn't know- He proved Kongo has still got a long way to go in the wrestling department. (which we all knew) and he proved that Kongo wears a thong, which we all didn't know 
|
|
Post #10 7/1/09 10:25:20PM
|
RandyCouture
MMA Regular
Career record: 651-352
Season: 32-8 (#323)
Location: Ohio
|
Way too early look to the future of the division dont have young top contenders keep fighting each other. Let Cain develop a little more he stated that he is fine what that or a title shot either way so develop him a little more and make him into a beast instead of throwing him in with another top contender. Yes both these guys could become champs or be high ranked in the division but look nog couture herring all the other top contenders are all in talks of retiring. After carwin and cain fight for the title who's left in 1 or 2 years to come. You cant keep depending on naturally talented monsters like cain and carwin. Give wait to see how mir lesanar plays out if mir wins give him couture or nogeira. If brock wins and nog wins have that. If brock and couture win let carwin face brock and have cain fight a decent fighter then a randy couture or a nog.
|
|
Post #11 7/1/09 11:06:21PM
|
TimW001
MMA Sensei
Career record: 502-330
Season: 1-0 (#4049)
Location: Canada BC
|
Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r
tooooooooooooooo early
|
|
Post #12 7/1/09 11:50:14PM
|
clintjack
MMA Regular
Career record: 547-367
Season: 25-23 (#1754)
Location: AZ
|
Cain, on the other hand, proved something we know, and 1 thing we didn't know- He proved Kongo has still got a long way to go in the wrestling department. (which we all knew) and he proved that Kongo wears a thong, which we all didn't know
This paragraph was priceless! 
|
|
Post #13 7/2/09 1:27:49AM
|
Shadymlm
MMA Regular
Career record: 27-16
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Rockford IL
|
I like it, I think it's the best match up for the #1 Contender spot. What would happen if say Carwin beats Cain then has a fight against a mid level guy and somehow loses then what? There would be nobody that is worthy of a title shot.
Sure maybe Randy or Nog, but if Brock wins do we really wanna see Randy Brock 2? you have 2 undefeated HW's who have each beat credible fighters in Gonzaga and Kongo this is the best way to go about it. Then the winner of NOG and Randy can fight the loser of Carwin/Cain that way it's a meaningful bout for both fighters and an interesting one.
|
|
Post #14 7/2/09 2:35:44AM
|
MODesty
Career record: 723-367
Season: 38-12 (#5)
Location: Oklahoma
|
Posted by Jackelope
Despite my earlier post I agree with this statement. I just think if anything this shows how limited the depth in the UFC's HW division is.
I mean, think about it this way- Should Cain Velasquez win you'll have a guy with 7 career total fights going up against a guy who has 6 career total fights for the HW belt. That just doesn't add up IMO. It shows how weak the HW division is.
I feel like Carwin proved more by beating Gonzaga than Cain did by beating Kongo. They both showed they can last through adversity, but Carwin showed he could get back to his feet after being rocked by a powerful, powerful striker in Gonzaga, and he also showed he can get back up from the bottom against someone who probably has some of the most devastating top game BJJ of all HW's.
Cain, on the other hand, proved something we know, and 1 thing we didn't know- He proved Kongo has still got a long way to go in the wrestling department. (which we all knew) and he proved that Kongo wears a thong, which we all didn't know
Well I don't think its the lack of depth of the UFC HW division I think it just the fact that you have fighters coming in to MMA now days that have great back grounds, are great athletes, and joining great camps right off the bat. Plus the other issue is there aren't very many true HWs around. Most rankings have the UFC holding 6 to 7 of the top ten HWs in the world. I think truly out of all the weight classes I think HW is the most lacking. But I think this holds true for all of MMA and not just one organization.
_______________________________________
MMA Playground Mod
Telnights
MMAplayground Rules
|
|
Post #15 7/2/09 3:27:28AM
|
|
