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Posted by roadking95th

Alan Keyes would have been great 8 years ago, when I wrote him in, but he had sold his principles when he ran for Senate in Illinois.

The Republicans are now the Dems of old and the Dems are Socialists, some even leaing towards being commies.

All in all, politicians are politicians. They all suck. It isn't a matter of where you want the gov't to go, but rather how fast you wanna get there.

I would really like to vote FOR somebody and not against somebody, but that did me little good last November. Would prob hold my nose and vote for Fred Thompson if he ran 'cause I doubt we will get a true conservative on the ballot, though if one would get the nomination we would be looking at a landslide victory.

I know, I know, just shut up and pay your taxes! Hell, why should anyone half to pay more than 25% in total taxes. I said total, not just payroll, hell for that matter, our compensation for working was never meant to be taxed.

Oh well, this whole political debate could take up hours of my time.

Keep it civil, don't respond to this topic if you can't present facts and leave the name calling at home. Well, I guess thats only a natural tactic for libs though. Sorry couldn't resist



Agreed whole-heartedly. Like I said, Alan Keyes is too Christian Conservative for me, but overall not a bad guy. I don't think hes electable though, as hes black. As sad as it is, a majority of the South, Midwest and elderly will never vote for a black man, no matter how good he'd be for this country. Maybe someday, but not now.

As for voting against someone, I hate to say I do it, but I do. I always say "This time I vote for the one who will do the best job." but once I'm in that booth I go for the one who I think can win and do the least damage. The last few elections have just been too close, and when you're looking at the moonbat running in the blue party, it makes me way too nervous to vote for a Libertarian or Conservative I know can't win.

As for Fred Thompson, I've heard a lot about him lately, but haven't done any serious reading up on his stances. According to a local paper today, hes aparently already ahead of Mitt Romney on some polls, and he hasn't even officially started running yet.

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Post #46   4/4/07 4:48:59AM   

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He was an actor, maybe he'll be another Reagan? Anyway, i don't trust any of them. I figure I'm getting a foot up my ass either way, and just want the one with the smallest shoe. I think Hillary wears size 18 combat boots. Maybe Thompson is a small-footed slipper wearing guy

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Post #47   4/4/07 4:51:57AM   

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Posted by Lay_N_Pray

Svartorm, though I disagree with you on some issues, you sure know your stuff and make excellent points.

I am all for leaving Iraq. We killed Hussein which is good now let them worry about their own problems. I was for the war, but now it is time to come back home. I'm not sayin all at once, but slowly pull out and leave them be over there.

I'm against illegal immigration and I think something should be done, but to be honest neither the democrats or the republicans have a way to fix that problem right now.

Health care is a tricky issue. I do not like paying for other peoples health care either but on a case to case basis I dont mind. If something traumatic happened and the person needs help I think its ok to toss some cash over their way. But a person who abuses alcohol and drugs shouldnt be surprised when they get ill and then need everyones money.

Its still VERY early and hopefully someone will pull out in front with some solid solutions or at least attempts.

By the way, the whole McCain thing was not serious, I just like giving the guy flack for the comment, I know he is a pretty badass guy and all and I would never let that influence my vote



Thanks bro. I like these kinds of discussions, but they're difficult to find online. The only time I get to talk politics is on a firearms forum I frequent, and in that case you're pretty well just agreeing with each other the whole time. Its nice to mix it up.

Iraq is a very tricky situation. The very short version is there should have never been an occupation. The place should have been leveled like in the first Gulf War, and it would have bought us another decade or so. I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but anyone interested in the war should read a book called Jefferson's War. Its about the Barbary Wars of the early 1800's, which was the United States first war against Islamic Extremists, and shows the mind-set of the people. They're not a people you can beat down and let get back up, because they'll assume you're weak and try to kill you again. Conversely, once you start leveling their cities and they figure out you mean business, they start doing well to keep their extreme factions in check.

I think the main problem with the insurgents is that the populous are not policing themselves. If everytime an IED went off and killed US troops, the airforce leveled that city block, the people would be much more likely to turn in the extremists responsible. They're doing something similar in the Philipines right now, who have had problems with Islamic extremists since the early 1900's, and its apparently working. They're offering bounties on terrorists, and the people are jumping at the opportunity. I could be mistaken, but I think they arrested and convicted 81 people in a two or three month period.

As for illegal immigration, I'm very much against it as well. The politicians are going to drag their feet on this issue, so its really up to the public to voice their opinion on this and get something done. I've gone the route of boycott, as the way to hurt an industry hiring illegals the most is by closing your wallet to them. I refuse to buy any products made by Perdue, Tyson or Dunkin Donuts, as they are the three companies who hire the most illegals. I also refuse to buy any product with Spanish packaging, as it appeals to the illegal population who don't speak English.

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Post #48   4/4/07 5:05:21AM   

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Posted by hippysmacker

He was an actor, maybe he'll be another Reagan? Anyway, i don't trust any of them. I figure I'm getting a foot up my ass either way, and just want the one with the smallest shoe. I think Hillary wears size 18 combat boots. Maybe Thompson is a small-footed slipper wearing guy



Another Reagan would be great right about now. Just a man that can get things done and has a backbone would be a splended change of pace.

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Post #49   4/4/07 5:08:00AM   

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like i said earlier, vote for michael savage and we will no longer have any problems

Post #50   4/4/07 7:16:14PM   

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Thanks for the imput bro. Just out of curiousity, how does Saudi Arabia off-set the costs? Something to do with oil revenue?



Yeah, they have no taxes and pay everything with the oil money. (Kind of like Navada with gaming.)

The funny thing is every year they are in the negative because the royal family (10,000 people and counting) all get huge salaries and all kinds of free stuff. Land, cars, palaces, you name it. They are going to be dry in about 50 years or so and they'll be right back on camels.
(Matt Damon's speech to the Arab prince in Syriana was 100% accurate)



Funny thing is when they run dry, we all run dry. i think that would actually collapse our current economy since everything takes a little bit of oil to make now. God this scenario sucks...

Post #51   4/4/07 10:50:12PM   

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I believe we are not running out of oil anytime soon. There are theories that the Earth is continuously producing oil, it is a by product. Even so, with the increasing costs of oil, it is becoming more economically feasible to drill deeper and remotely.

Saudia Arabia's chief role in the oil business is to stockpile it, to help regulate the dips and gains in production. Well, something to that effect anyway, someone else could explain it better.

Shale oil is becoming an option. The USAF is starting to use natural gas to produce oil. I forget the technique, but it becomes feasible once oil hits $70. This technology can then be used to make shale oil, which the US has the most. I mean, think Middle East quantities. Once perfected, experts think it could be as little as $7-$10 a barrel.

I could go on and on, but in short, we aint running out anytime soon. It is sort of like the enviromental wackos...the earth is going to end in 20 years, well it's been 25. We were supposed to be nearing the end of our supply by now and we haven't.

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Posted by AlmightyThor

Funny thing is when they run dry, we all run dry. i think that would actually collapse our current economy since everything takes a little bit of oil to make now. God this scenario sucks...



I think that by the time Saudi runs out, alternative fuels will be much more available.

And I didn't say the WORLD is running out, just the Saudis. At the rate they are pumping, they will be dry in 50 years or so.

We are an oil economy, no doubt. But things are changing, and changing at a faster rate in the last couple years then ever before. Even "Big Oil" companies are realizing it and putting up ethanol and hydrogen stations.

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Very true. The only legit concern I've heard about oil production is that China is starting to become heavily industrialized, which will eat up huge portions of oil.

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Posted by roadking95th

Shale oil is becoming an option. The USAF is starting to use natural gas to produce oil. I forget the technique, but it becomes feasible once oil hits $70. This technology can then be used to make shale oil, which the US has the most. I mean, think Middle East quantities. Once perfected, experts think it could be as little as $7-$10 a barrel.



There is even a company in Canada that figured out how extract oil from sand. FLIPPIN' SAND! The name escapes me because they aren't publicly traded. I wanted to buy some stock and lost intrest when I couldn't.

Right now it's not cost-effective, but it will be. The point is that there are many options for oil but as you mentioned they will have to go more remote. Siberia is a prime example.

I think in 25 years, the number of cars that are gasoline only will be less than half. At least in the US.

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Posted by Svartorm

Very true. The only legit concern I've heard about oil production is that China is starting to become heavily industrialized, which will eat up huge portions of oil.



China has tripled it's oil consumption in the last 10 years. That's scary considering it's size. They are one of the primary reasons why oil has gone up so much in the last few years.

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Right, and they're just getting the ball rolling over there too, which is why I think its a legit concern.

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we will never run out of fuel....fossil fuels yes but with all the advancement in Diesel fuels which are basically renewable now youll start to see a lot more diesel running cars,etc...

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Posted by mkiv9secsupra

we will never run out of fuel....fossil fuels yes but with all the advancement in Diesel fuels which are basically renewable now youll start to see a lot more diesel running cars,etc...



I agree, bio-fuels will be the future. I saw an episode of "Future Cars" that featured alt. energy for cars. Pretty crazy stuff. They even had a car that ran off compressed air! They are working on fitting a compressor into the car so it recompresses it's own air and never has to be refilled...EVER!

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But what does the compressor run on? Unless its some kind of perpetual motion machine, the compressor would need power, and those bastards use a lot of juice.

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