GSP vs. Thiago Alves |
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NatedawgThaM
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I think GSP is going to kick his ass no matter what. He could definitely whoop his ass on the feet too. Lytle gave Thiago hell and would have won if it wasnt for the cut, imagine a much more athletic versatile striker. Yeah Alves showed great defense against Kos's takedown, but Kos was in that fight until the very end holding his own on the feet, he didnt win the rounds but the fight was always a war and competitive.
I see this fight only going two ways, with GSP dominating at will taking him down and even landing good shots on the feet until he eventually puts Alves away with some relentless GNP for a TKO stoppage I believe, or GSP will be whooping his ass with GNP the whole fight until Alves rocks him with a hard strike and finishes him like Serra. Just think the GSP scenario is more likely. I've found every single little reason to pick against GSP and hes always shown me up, so im tired of losing points, I got GSP in this one haha.
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Post #76 7/9/09 11:31:56AM
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fonduktoe
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pretty sure gsp is just gonna use his "i just got shot out of a cannon" takedown to keep alves on his back and control him for a possible tko in the later rounds or a one-sided decision
gsp hasn't been standing and trading with fighters much since the serra loss and since he repeatedly took down opponents whose strong suit is their ground game (fitch, penn, serra, hughes) i doubt he'll all of the sudden choose to stand with a muay thai badass
even if alves sprawls like his crotch is on fire i'll bet we still find him on his back for most of the fight
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Post #77 7/9/09 11:49:06PM
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Macheetah
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This has the potential to be another GSP/Serra. It has the highest possibility of being the upset of the night. I have decided to give you guys the way I believe the fight will play out...
I keep going back and forth between the two, but I believe in Alves alot more than I do GSP. Right now GSP is the heavy favorite, and polls are looking like they did before he got knocked out by Serra. After watching interviews, press conference, etc. Alves also seems to be alot more serious about this than GSP.
Alot of people give GSP more credit than deserved for his wrestling ability. Alves wasn't taken down by Hughes or Koscheck, and they are no joke when it comes to wrestling ability. Sure, GSP has great wrestling ability, but I don't believe it is better than Hughes. Hear me out on this, whenever GSP has gone for a takedown his opponent has been off balance and/or coming off of an attack. When he can't do that, he goes to the clinch to work the takedown from there. As far as doubles and singles go, GSP is no top tier wrestler.
As far as Alves, he has without a doubt been working on his takedown defense and always throws something when someone gets anywhere close to him. Watch his fight with Koscheck, he is great at stopping takedowns against the cage. But let's get to the fight... The key to victory for Alves here is...
Leg kicks. Yep, in round one leg kicks will soften GSP up and he will lose his ability to use his takedowns at will. Alves will give him the first round and will feel him out, throwing the occasional leg kick, while GSP attemps to take him down and uses up more of his gas tank than he should. GSP will probably catch a leg kick or go after Alves after he throws a kick and will take him down, but Alves will stay patient and get right back up, or just let him use his energy.
Second round, Alves will come out with a good pace, picking his shots and throwing combo's when GSP gets close and attemps to clinch, etc. chances are GSP will go for the clinch because going for a takedown is out of the question, GSP simply will not win the clinch game against the cage, Alves will out muscle him 9 out of 10 times.
Third round, GSP comes out and simply gets impatient. He makes a dumb mistake, shoots in or goes for a clinch, Alves catches him with a knee or an uppercut, dropping him, and then goes in for the kill and a KO/TKO victory.
New UFC Welterweight champion, Thiago Alves.
... But that's just me, if you are a GSP supporter, I believe his keys to success are staying patient and weathering the early storm, waiting on Thiago's gas tank to start giving out, opening things up for him late in the fight. I know that Thiago won't give up easily, which is why I think that if GSP does win the fight, it will be by UD. If not that, he will catch Alves in a surprise Sub sometime in the fourth or fifth.
War Alves though, damnit. Don't give in to the favorite, don't play it safe, MMA is an unpredictable sport, and the majority have been proven wrong somewhere in every event. 
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Post #78 7/10/09 12:59:04AM
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fonduktoe
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 gsp is a better wrestler than hughes simply because he is the better athlete (hughes said so himself after his second loss to gsp).
i WANT this fight to be a great contest but mark my words... gsp will take thiago down at will and control him for the majority of the fight
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Post #79 7/10/09 1:51:42AM
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Macheetah
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Posted by fonduktoe
gsp is a better wrestler than hughes simply because he is the better athlete (hughes said so himself after his second loss to gsp).
i WANT this fight to be a great contest but mark my words... gsp will take thiago down at will and control him for the majority of the fight
We can agree to disagree, I think that GSP will be punished when he tries to take Thiago down, and won't be able to do so at "will" There is no controlling Thiago Alves.
Alves is no longer an underdog by the way...
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Post #80 7/10/09 1:59:37AM
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Rush
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Posted by Macheetah
This has the potential to be another GSP/Serra. It has the highest possibility of being the upset of the night. I have decided to give you guys the way I believe the fight will play out...
Alot of people give GSP more credit than deserved for his wrestling ability. Alves wasn't taken down by Hughes or Koscheck, and they are no joke when it comes to wrestling ability. Sure, GSP has great wrestling ability, but I don't believe it is better than Hughes. Hear me out on this, whenever GSP has gone for a takedown his opponent has been off balance and/or coming off of an attack. When he can't do that, he goes to the clinch to work the takedown from there. As far as doubles and singles go, GSP is no top tier wrestler.
I don't see it to be another Serra-GSP because GSP is prepared and 100%. That being said, if Alves wins, he totally earned it both prior and during the fight.
Regarding GSPs wrestling. What makes GSP's wrestling so much better than Koscheck's and Hughes' is that the sets it up so well with his striking. He doesn't just drop into a single leg when he's in a clinch. That would be foolish to do with Thiago who has a pretty good clinch. I wouldn't put too much into Hughes not taking Alves down considering the trouble he has with taking Serra down.
I see Georges taking Alves down as he is chambering for a big kick or after missing a big kick. Once GSP shows Alves that his kicks will get him into trouble, I think Alves will fold. That is my prediction for the game plan Jackson has with GSP. We'll see if I am right and if it works.
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Post #81 7/10/09 7:21:30AM
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Steady MODdin'
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i was going to say something similar to rush. gsp has such a great shot because he IS a great striker and his opponents have to respect that. he dismantled kos who is probably the best pure wrestler at 170 because kos was worried about eating a kick or punch. that fight made kos look like an ammy, and proved that gsp's wrestling is at or near the top in all of mma. its been said before but there is wrestling, and then there is wrestling for mma, and thats where gsp excels.
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Post #82 7/10/09 9:35:44AM
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Posted by Macheetah
I keep going back and forth between the two, but I believe in Alves alot more than I do GSP.
I'm sorry, but I just can't see how you can say this. Care to explain why you believe in Alves more than you do GSP? What has Alves done that makes you think this? GSP has shown me way more than Alves ever has.
I'm not trying to call you out or be a dick by any means. I'm just really curious as to why you believe in Alves more than GSP.
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Post #83 7/10/09 9:45:47AM
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mkiv9secsupra
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Posted by Macheetah
Alot of people give GSP more credit than deserved for his wrestling ability. whenever GSP has gone for a takedown his opponent has been off balance and/or coming off of an attack.
I was under the impression that this is the perfect opportunity to go for takedowns......
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Post #84 7/10/09 11:28:47AM
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Yes, that is an unusually large elbow GSP has been sporting lately going into the fight. (It was this GIF or a better picture form Wednesday, but it would have to include Mark Coleman)
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Post #85 7/10/09 12:58:55PM
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HATE ON, HATERS!
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Does it really look much different than it did in the BJ fight?
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Post #86 7/10/09 1:12:23PM
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HATE ON, HATERS!
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From BloodyElbow (who took it from the UG)
It's bursitis, it's hilarious that with so many f**king elite so called active training members on this forum that you can't recognize a very common injury.
It's not even serious in the context of a title fight. Everyone fights injured, that's minor **** in the grand scheme. The truth is it's not an injury that effects your performance really, not once the adrenaline hits.
All of these guys go through rigorous training camps, that's a simple lump, it really is and it's not in a horrible spot. Once he is warmed up and ready to go it will be a non factor, quit making excuses in advance. GSP will most likely win regardless, but if he loses it's because Alves is a better fighter.
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Post #87 7/10/09 2:07:25PM
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placente
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Everybody is a different fighter, not cuz Kos coulnd take alves down, or coulnd keep him down, does not mean GSP can't do it everybody is different. Alves has some good MT, he can catch anybody and knock them out, so dont count alves out, i think this is gonna b a good fight, they are both young and powerful. To me it comes down to srategy, who can impose it well and frustrate the other.
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Post #88 7/10/09 5:18:49PM
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JimiMak
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Hopefully Alves destroys in this fight. GSP is overrated and hopefully we'll see that Saturday.
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Post #89 7/10/09 5:37:07PM
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Rush
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Posted by JimiMak
Hopefully Alves destroys in this fight. GSP is overrated and hopefully we'll see that Saturday.
Hopefully GSP wins and you will continue to be disappointed that his overratedness will not be apparent to the rest of us.
I have a question. How many guys does he have to pwn before he convinces you that he is not overrated?
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Post #90 7/10/09 6:31:19PM
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