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Roach predicts Arlovski to KO Fedor

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Agree 100%.....AA concentrates on boxing way too much. I see a take down via Fedor within 1 minute and 30 seconds. I say after the takedown it only takes 1 more minute to land the submission....and I'm an AA fan!

Post #16   1/6/09 7:38:58PM   

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There is a time when everyone needs to separate fantasy from reality. Freddie should consider this his time, and get out of the fantasy world.

Post #17   1/6/09 7:51:04PM   

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I'm picking Fedor but I give Arlovski the best shot to beat him out of any the opposition he's ever faced, this is a clash of styles and it could prove bad for Fedor, he could very well get KO'd. Arlovski has the skills and power to do it, that it not a bold prediction at all even though I see Fedor taking it down eventually.

Post #18   1/6/09 7:58:46PM   

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I don't understand where Freddie Roach gets the credentials to make this prediction? I guess not to make it, every one is entitled to their own opinion, but to have it reported. Freddie Roach is a boxing specialist and if Fedor and Andre were boxing I would care what this mans prediction would be but they're not boxing are they? This is a mixed martial arts contest. While we're at it why don't we ask John Madden who he thinks is going to win, or Peter Gammons?

All that being said I do agree with one thing, Arlovski's only chance at a win here is a KO. Not that that means it's going to happen. I've got Fedor winning by 2nd round sub.

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Admittedly, it is possible for him to catch Fedor but it is a very small chance and it won't stay standing very long.

Post #20   1/6/09 8:21:18PM   

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I had a vision, AA lands a big right that puts fedor down. AA is smart enough not to just jump on him. he stands above him pretending he is gonna jump on him and then grabbing a leg and finishing!! I know its a long shot but I am hopeing!!

I had the vision because i was picturing AA catching Fedor and then i was worried about him jumping right on fedor and somehow getting armbarred. Which is likely more probable than my vision

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I see Fedor winning but I do see a microscopic chance for Arlovski to win. I think Fedor is the number one Heavy in the world, but his stand up game could use some work. His footwork is wrong, he stumbles and trips over his own feet sometimes. His movement leaves him vulnerable. Someone with amazing footwork and awareness could capitalize on this. His technique when he punches is improper, he basically throws "arm punches".
A good amount of time his stance is wide open...this could be capitalized upon as well. However, a big problem is his power. Even if his punches are "improper"...he hits real, real hard. He is really quick as well. His punches are like "laser beams". Straight, accurately and quickly to their target. Fedor is a smart fighter as well. He is always aware of everything going on in the fight and he capitalizes on his opponents mistakes quickly. He also has a "good chin", I have only seen Fedor dazed and in mortal danger once...and somehow he regained his wits and won...and his Sambo? Forget about it...amazing. I think Arlovski has the superior stand up, but within a few seconds into the fight Arlovski could be doing the chicken dance from one of Fedor's immensely powerful punches. On the ground Arlovski is dog meat. On their feet I don't see how Arlovski can avoid one of those devastating laser beams. Arlovski would have to miraculously outbox Fedor, use perfect footwork and form and somehow pull off the KO of the century.
I don't see Andrei being that perfect.
Logic dictates that Fedor wins by KO/TKO or Submission within the first couple minutes of the fight, but you never do know.
Like a gentleman before me said...who would have thought Mir would have knocked out Big Nog?

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AA's boxing is technical, his standup is not. I thought the Roy Nelson fight was a crappy performance with a great finish. If you routinely beat Miguel Cotto in the gym it doesn't mean you have the greatest boxing skill for MMA. So Fedor by KO or Sub finish end of round 1.

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Don't write Arlovski off in this fight. Anyone can get KO'ed with 1 punch.

Post #24   1/6/09 11:37:33PM   

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He could beat Fedor, but I think people are to happy with AA's last two fights against Rothwell and Nelson, they are not on Fedor's level in any area. If your picking AA based on those fights then you should rethink it. If your picking him because the past few events have produced some of the weirdest things we've seen then you have a better idea on why then the people picking him due to his past two wins lol.

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I see almost no way for arlovski to win. I would say he had a decent chance for a KO if we hadn't seen Fedor get hit so hard so many times. After seeing him eat Fujita's hook and getting dropped on his head by Randleman I think the whole "puncher's chance" factor becomes pretty minimal against Fedor. His fight against Nelson showed that he probably wouldn't last very long on the ground with him either. Andrei's boxing is good, but boxing isn't the same as overall MMA striking, and Fedor is better at that as well, I don't really care what Freddy Roach says. Boxing is not MMA.

Jackelope I tried to prop you but I still need to spread the love.

I think andrei's best chance to win is the same as anyone else - to open a bad cut.

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Posted by Jackelope

I can't take anything Freddie Roach says seriously. His comments over the past few weeks have been assanine. I know the trainers and the media can overhype things to make people sound like fools, but there are some things that really bother me about Roach knowing nothing about MMA and being so intensely involved as a trainer.

1) Boxing defense is entirely different to MMA defense with the hands. Because the gloves are a quarter of the size. Standard boxing blocks simply won't work with MMA gloves because they're small enough to slip right through. I love when boxers come to my gym and get used to sparring with the big gloves and then get jabs put right through their teeth once they put on some MMA gloves.

2) Boxing stances, especially against someone like Fedor who excels on the ground, can lead to huge problems when somebody tries to take you down. Your feet are too close together and your center of gravity is not low enough to create space with your hips and defend takedown attempts

3) Boxing headmovement opens fighters up for kicks and knees. Of course Fedor isn't known for either, but still.. it's a problem when you translate boxing to MMA.

4) Boxing footwork is nothing like MMA footwork because the range is entirely different.

Now, Roach is a smart guy when it comes to boxing and all. At this point after so many years in the boxing game and with his ego blown up so great as the "best boxing trainer alive" does he have the wherewithall to deflate his own ego and realize he needs to be training his fighter for these types of problems? I don't know, honestly. With his medical problems and his lifetime of understanding BOXING, does he have the mental capacity to adapt? I really don't know. I like Freddie Roach, but these are thoughts that bother me.

EDIT: All of that being said I cannot deny that Arlovski has a puncher's chance in this one. The guy has quick hands for a heavyweight, and they seem to pack a wallop.




still cant give you props and ive been spreading the love all over the place! wtf!....anyways, good points.... i know i personally had trouble coming from kickboxing and boxing background heading into my first mma gym with the different elements that mma brings up.....to me it was easy to pick out the tweaks i needed to make in my standup, but the hard part was actually implementing them into my game and changing what had already become somewhat natural from years of training and competition.....thats the part in my opionon that makes the biggest problem for a boxer or kickboxer translating into mma.....hell, ive been going to gyms off and on for almost 10 years now and problems still pop up from time to time!

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