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I agree with everything said in this thread (except for Wolfenstein) and I'm looking forward to the issue being resolved.

The timing is just horrible.

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Post #16   12/18/08 10:01:11AM   

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This is 100% on me. I haven't been around for the last couple months and this was one of the many items that was on the "to-do" list for a while. I'm back in action and working on the never-ending list of site items now. This was something that I had actually started working on a couple months ago, and just needed to be finished up. In hindsight, yes, this was a stupid time for me to finish it up and I apologize. Perhaps picking up where I left off on going down the list of things to-do on the site wasn't a stroke of brilliance

As for the reasoning behind this change, I got PM's and contacts that brought to my attention that someone could simply form a fight camp right before the last event of the season, get good picks (especially if it was an easier event to pick on, like lots of the Fight Nights are, or if it was an event that more bouts than usual, thus making a higher point total compared to the average event), have everyone make a couple safe bets, and run off with the top camp crown right under the noses of everyone who worked together and rode out the highs and lows all season long. Since creating this site nearly 2 years ago I have learned the hard way, and spent many late nights as a result, that anything that can be abused, most certainly will be abused when it comes to games and community.

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I also wanted to add that the changes made to the camp ranking procedure also fixed other bugs that were affecting a number of our members.

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Posted by DoTheMMAth

This is 100% on me. I haven't been around for the last couple months and this was one of the many items that was on the "to-do" list for a while. I'm back in action and working on the never-ending list of site items now. This was something that I had actually started working on a couple months ago, and just needed to be finished up. In hindsight, yes, this was a stupid time for me to finish it up and I apologize. Perhaps picking up where I left off on going down the list of things to-do on the site wasn't a stroke of brilliance

As for the reasoning behind this change, I got PM's and contacts that brought to my attention that someone could simply form a fight camp right before the last event of the season, get good picks (especially if it was an easier event to pick on, like lots of the Fight Nights are, or if it was an event that more bouts than usual, thus making a higher point total compared to the average event), have everyone make a couple safe bets, and run off with the top camp crown right under the noses of everyone who worked together and rode out the highs and lows all season long. Since creating this site nearly 2 years ago I have learned the hard way, and spent many late nights as a result, that anything that can be abused, most certainly will be abused when it comes to games and community.



So the change to the system stays in effect for the final 9 days of the season, rather than waiting 10 days until next season to implement it?

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I would also need something cleared up. why is it that CPT is ranked #2 when we dominate ATT in both the Score (CPT=50.7 , ATT=48.7) and Pick % (CPT=64.2 , ATT=63.5) , the only area they beat us is bankroll (CPT=368.81, ATT=893.05)... The way I understood fight camp rankings does not work at all in this situation. If any mod could please clear this up, would be much appreciated.

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You covered one point I was going to touch on in the CPT-ATT deal, but there's one other detail I see that could be working against you here-camp size. Theirs: 137.9. Yours: 72.6. Could be a case where quantity counts just as much as quality.

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Posted by DCRage

You covered one point I was going to touch on in the CPT-ATT deal, but there's one other detail I see that could be working against you here-camp size. Theirs: 137.9. Yours: 72.6. Could be a case where quantity counts just as much as quality.



Well i understand that, but it was never a factor before last event cause we were behind in the bankroll for the last 3 or 4 events and still remaining in the #1 spot. The only stats that changed are a few pts on the score and pick %, we were basically up 2-1 all season long, and in 1st place.

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Also wanted to point out that had this not been changed before the final event, and someone had ninja'd a camp crown as I had described that there would also be an uproar. Either way I am paying for my lack of imagination when first creating a fight camp ranking system.

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Posted by DoTheMMAth

Also wanted to point out that had this not been changed before the final event, and someone had ninja'd a camp crown as I had described that there would also be an uproar.



Agreed. I understand that it's going to make things better in the long run. It's just kind of a kick in the junk to some of us. We'll get over it, though.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Edit: Thanks for the explanations

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Posted by Svartorm

To do this with 9 days left in the season and with no warning is utterly ridiculous. Grappling Dummies and Sabotage Inc both were knocked out of contention, despite the fact our teams score higher than everyone elses in every aspect of the game.



well that's not necessarily true. we have a higher points per event and pick percentage than sabotage inc, but they have us covered pretty handily in terms of wagers.

both sides have solid arguments, in fact they are so good that i really don't know where i stand on this.

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I agree that a change needed to be made, but I think it is tough to do it so late in the season when we were #1. I understand that if someone just created a team for the last event that they could slide under everyone's radar and win it, and that would clearly not be fair. But man it's rough to have it with only one event left, we're almost out of contention.

Guess I gotta wager all my money on this one in a last ditch attempt lol.

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I understand and agree the changes needed to be made but the timing is very poor. You don't change the rules of the game with just one event left. What would have been a much better fix would be to lock fight camp creation till after the end of the season then make the changes to fix the issue. That would cause a lot less problems and wouldn't screw over some of the teams that these changes are a few days before the end of the season.

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Exactly. You already lock the teams two days before and two days after, and extending that wouldn't have been an issue.

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Posted by Svartorm

Exactly. You already lock the teams two days before and two days after, and extending that wouldn't have been an issue.



agreed, this would solve the problem easily and everyone is happy.

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