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Fabricio Werdum wants to fight the best in the world with Affliction

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“When I first heard the rumours, I didn’t know anything. I had four more fights left with them on my contract, which ran to 2010. But they demanded to renegotiate my exiting contract by cutting my pay in half…. It’s a pity I would have liked to continue with the UFC but now we forge ahead…. There are several possibilities now including fighting in multiple organizations. Affliction, Sengoku and Dream are big events, but I think the possibility of fighting for Affliction in particular will give me the best chance to fight the best in the world, Fedor, in addition to (Andrei) Arlovski, Josh Barnett and several other big names … that would be a great opportunity for me”"














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Post #1   11/22/08 3:22:16PM   

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sad part is i don't see him beating any top hw in affliction

Post #2   11/22/08 3:34:44PM   

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maybe affliction will pair him up with barnett for the january card.

that'd be a pretty good fight

Post #3   11/22/08 3:45:26PM   

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I've always hated that people try and renegotiate their contract. In the NFL everyones up in arms when someone sits out for a new contract while the UFC does it the other way. I didn't see Rich trying to renegotiate his contract when he was making pennies while being the champ, I don't like how the UFC tried to do this to a guy who beat two contenders, signed a brand new contract and then lost once. Complete BS IMO.

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please NO Werdum vs Andrei 2.

Post #5   11/22/08 4:07:28PM   

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this is just a bad move on Werdum's part. he was a top guy and lost to basically a no name guy. he should have taken the pay cut, gotten back on track with a few wins, and then renegotiated his contract again for a pay raise. plus i don't see him beating any top guys in Affliction.

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Posted by Bowen50

this is just a bad move on Werdum's part. he was a top guy and lost to basically a no name guy. he should have taken the pay cut, gotten back on track with a few wins, and then renegotiated his contract again for a pay raise. plus i don't see him beating any top guys in Affliction.



Good thing he has you to make these decisions for him. He should hire you as his manager. Who needs real managers when you can get the advice of Bowen50 for free on the internet?

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Posted by dinex


Posted by Bowen50

this is just a bad move on Werdum's part. he was a top guy and lost to basically a no name guy. he should have taken the pay cut, gotten back on track with a few wins, and then renegotiated his contract again for a pay raise. plus i don't see him beating any top guys in Affliction.



Good thing he has you to make these decisions for him. He should hire you as his manager. Who needs real managers when you can get the advice of Bowen50 for free on the internet?



Jeez dude, way to flip out on a guy for posting his opinion. That's what the boards are for- posting opinons!

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Jeez dude, way to flip out on a guy for posting his opinion. That's what the boards are for- posting opinons!



Unless you know how much UFC were going to pay him and how much others are willing to pay him there is no reason to have an opinion on whether this is a bad move or not. It is pretty arrogant to talk about what is best for Werdums career when you have no real information to base it on.

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Posted by ThePlague


Posted by dinex


Posted by Bowen50

this is just a bad move on Werdum's part. he was a top guy and lost to basically a no name guy. he should have taken the pay cut, gotten back on track with a few wins, and then renegotiated his contract again for a pay raise. plus i don't see him beating any top guys in Affliction.



Good thing he has you to make these decisions for him. He should hire you as his manager. Who needs real managers when you can get the advice of Bowen50 for free on the internet?



Jeez dude, way to flip out on a guy for posting his opinion. That's what the boards are for- posting opinons!



Well it's true lol, take a 40,000$ pay cut? What sense does that make when you JUST signed the contract? It's BS that the UFC can do this, renegotiate at any time but if you want out you better wait on the sidelines and fight on the undercard so we can get rid of you.

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Posted by dinex


Posted by Bowen50

this is just a bad move on Werdum's part. he was a top guy and lost to basically a no name guy. he should have taken the pay cut, gotten back on track with a few wins, and then renegotiated his contract again for a pay raise. plus i don't see him beating any top guys in Affliction.



Good thing he has you to make these decisions for him. He should hire you as his manager. Who needs real managers when you can get the advice of Bowen50 for free on the internet?



isn't that what this forum is for, posting opinions? i obviously don't know the full extent of the situation but from what we know it seems like a bad move. no reason to get your jock in a twist over my opinion. go back to sherdog where your opinions have even less bearing.

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Posted by cmill21


Posted by ThePlague


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Posted by Bowen50

this is just a bad move on Werdum's part. he was a top guy and lost to basically a no name guy. he should have taken the pay cut, gotten back on track with a few wins, and then renegotiated his contract again for a pay raise. plus i don't see him beating any top guys in Affliction.



Good thing he has you to make these decisions for him. He should hire you as his manager. Who needs real managers when you can get the advice of Bowen50 for free on the internet?



Jeez dude, way to flip out on a guy for posting his opinion. That's what the boards are for- posting opinons!



Well it's true lol, take a 40,000$ pay cut? What sense does that make when you JUST signed the contract? It's BS that the UFC can do this, renegotiate at any time but if you want out you better wait on the sidelines and fight on the undercard so we can get rid of you.



It's not BS, the UFC is a business and Werdum was been lackluster thus far in his career. Did you near a lot of outrage on this site and others with the news of his cut? No, because everyone was paying attention to Jon Fitch, because Fitch puts on amazing performances, win or lose. The same reason why Clay Guida and Chris Lytle are still UFC mainstays. Dana White likes fighters that put their all into a performance and one that fans appreciate. Werdum went 2-2 in his UFC career, and save for maybe the Gonzaga fight, none of his fights were really noteworthy on his part.

Of course the UFC isn't going to pay 80,000 bucks to a performer who doesn't deserve it. Werdum should have cut his losses and taken the new deal, win a couple of more fights and then re-negotiated. Dana has publicly stated he is always open to his fighters re-negotiating contracts after a win streak, even before their contract comes up.

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Posted by warglory

It's not BS, the UFC is a business and Werdum was been lackluster thus far in his career. Did you near a lot of outrage on this site and others with the news of his cut? No, because everyone was paying attention to Jon Fitch, because Fitch puts on amazing performances, win or lose. The same reason why Clay Guida and Chris Lytle are still UFC mainstays. Dana White likes fighters that put their all into a performance and one that fans appreciate. Werdum went 2-2 in his UFC career, and save for maybe the Gonzaga fight, none of his fights were really noteworthy on his part.

Of course the UFC isn't going to pay 80,000 bucks to a performer who doesn't deserve it. Werdum should have cut his losses and taken the new deal, win a couple of more fights and then re-negotiated. Dana has publicly stated he is always open to his fighters re-negotiating contracts after a win streak, even before their contract comes up.



A lack luster career? He has finished, GG twice, Zentsov, Aleksander, Vera, and everyones new golden boy Alistair. He's also been in there with Nog, Kharitonov and AA, only being finished once by a new comer. He has a total of 4 decisions in his career(only winning one of them) so he is by no means a lay and pray fighter. 80,000 is not top 10 money, and he is by far a top 10 HW, and was one of the few that the UFC have remaining. Dana may say he's open to renegotiating a contract, but I have never heard of him doing this, look at Jardine, the man has beat Forrest Griffin, and Chuck Liddel, always puts on exciting fights and he still only makes 10k a fight, I can bet that he asked to change that, but it's obvious it didn't happen. Also consider the UFC paid Big Tim 100,000 and AA 160,000, neither of them are any more exciting then Werdum, and Tim didn't bring in fans so don't play that card.

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I agree the only thing he had to brag about was beating Vera and that wasn't to convincing of a win. If these fighters are not happy with the UFC wanting to cut there pay when they don't preform then they need to put some kind of clause in there contract that says if they get on a winning streak or beat top ranked opponents they get a raise in there payouts.

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I'm with Cmill on this one. It seems kind of crap to think that you sign a two-way contract that is only a one-way contract. That means just because someone loses one fight all the sudden they lose all their bargaining chips? Check out Liddell- he's dropped quite a few fights recently. Granted he brings in more fans, but still... a contract should be binding on both sides.

The UFC fills their contracts so full of clauses that their lawyers should be getting paid more than their top fighters. (And probably are!) It's smart from a business perspective, but it's complete crap from a business ethics perspective.

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