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Posted by cmill21

President...face of the company, says he makes most of the decisions..seems legit. So you think a fighter should have to sign whatever the organizations offers? No matter what, with no negotiation?



That's what I've gathered.

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I personally think the people who agree with the UFC are blinded, they have to give up everything, the UFC is basically saying do exactly what we want or go fight in another org. I figured this is what would happen after Pride fell. We need two big mma promotions or Dana will keep doing this.



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BTW Dana is only the front man he is there to take the attention off of the Brothers and rest of the Zuffa executives......

But you have to really blind and dumb to recognize this



President...face of the company, says he makes most of the decisions..seems legit. So you think a fighter should have to sign whatever the organizations offers? No matter what, with no negotiation?



He didn't sign the contract, Nobody forced him to sign it cuz he didn't that's his right....

Zuffa did not believe he was worth the price he wanted so they let him go, that's their right....

Now he can go find better pay somewhere else.....

I just hope his management represented him correctly and made the right decision

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Zuffa did not believe he was worth the price he wanted so they let him go, that's their right....



There was no negotiation. Zuffa said "You do this or you don't work for us." What he thinks he's worth has nothing to do with anything here. He was given an ultimatum, period.

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Zuffa did not believe he was worth the price he wanted so they let him go, that's their right....



There was no negotiation. Zuffa said "You do this or you don't work for us." What he thinks he's worth has nothing to do with anything here. He was given an ultimatum, period.

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Posted by emfleek


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Zuffa did not believe he was worth the price he wanted so they let him go, that's their right....



There was no negotiation. Zuffa said "You do this or you don't work for us." What he thinks he's worth has nothing to do with anything here. He was given an ultimatum, period.



In my house that is called negotiating......

You have a choice... its black or white, right or wrong, yes or no

His management made the choice on Fitches behalf to try and call a bluff...
It didn't work

Zuffa had the upper hand on the negotiations if he would have won the title he would have had the upper hand....

When you negotiate normally both parties don't come to the table holding equal amounts of cards to play..... So you may say it was a ultimatum when really it was a short negotiation

And with the recent rumors that just came out it looks like they are negotiating which is good for Jon... Shame on his management for not performing there job properly

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Fitch said his management told him to accept, he decided he didn't want to sign his life away. Boo yah!

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Posted by cmill21

Fitch said his management told him to accept, he decided he didn't want to sign his life away. Boo yah!



Then in that case Fitch owns his decision and his managment might have done there jobs.....

But if he didn't want to sign why is he shocked with the UFC's decision???

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negotiating and issuing orders are not the same thing.

ne·go·ti·a·tion
/n??go??i'e???n, -si-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ni-goh-shee-ey-shuhn, -see-] Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.

Mutual and discussion are the key words. There was no discussion and it certainly wasn't mutual. They said do this or leave. That's not a discussion it's an order.

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Posted by Aether

negotiating and issuing orders are not the same thing.

ne·go·ti·a·tion
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1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.

Mutual and discussion are the key words. There was no discussion and it certainly wasn't mutual. They said do this or leave. That's not a discussion it's an order.





So you must have been there to witness this all right???

Or are just assuming that that is what that happened??? You do know what they say when you ass u me right??

I find it hard to believe that is was an order if Jon's personal managment was involved

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Posted by Aether

negotiating and issuing orders are not the same thing.

ne·go·ti·a·tion
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1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.

Mutual and discussion are the key words. There was no discussion and it certainly wasn't mutual. They said do this or leave. That's not a discussion it's an order.





So you must have been there to witness this all right???

Or are just assuming that that is what that happened??? You do know what they say when you ass u me right??

I find it hard to believe that is was an order if Jon's personal managment was involved



Jon has said they said take it or your cut.

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Fitch is back in UFC.


Jon Fitch spoke with Lorenzo Fertitta today and agreed to sign the merchandising contract. He is back in UFC and will fight Jan. 31 against Akihiro Gono as scheduled.

From F4W.

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Posted by Kracker_Jap


Posted by Aether

negotiating and issuing orders are not the same thing.

ne·go·ti·a·tion
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–noun
1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.

Mutual and discussion are the key words. There was no discussion and it certainly wasn't mutual. They said do this or leave. That's not a discussion it's an order.





So you must have been there to witness this all right???

Or are just assuming that that is what that happened??? You do know what they say when you ass u me right??

I find it hard to believe that is was an order if Jon's personal managment was involved




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Posted by DCRage

Fitch is back in UFC.


Jon Fitch spoke with Lorenzo Fertitta today and agreed to sign the merchandising contract. He is back in UFC and will fight Jan. 31 against Akihiro Gono as scheduled.

From F4W.



I kinda figured he would fall in....

Good scoop, thanks for the info.

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He probably had too much to lose by not signing it, he said sponsor money (which he'd probably lose by not signing) makes up 75-80% of his earnings. It could be some time before he'd even get close to that somewhere else, even from Affliction.

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Posted by Aether

negotiating and issuing orders are not the same thing.

ne·go·ti·a·tion
/n??go??i'e???n, -si-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ni-goh-shee-ey-shuhn, -see-] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.

Mutual and discussion are the key words. There was no discussion and it certainly wasn't mutual. They said do this or leave. That's not a discussion it's an order.





So you must have been there to witness this all right???

Or are just assuming that that is what that happened??? You do know what they say when you ass u me right??

I find it hard to believe that is was an order if Jon's personal managment was involved



Actually I read the quotes from the person who was cut and the person who cut him where they stated in plain english exactly what happened.

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