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Got inspired by a good thread on sherdog.net and got curious what your opinions about this were.

Wins I consider fluke wins are:
Coleman´s win over Shogun
Yamamoto´s win over Kerr
Vitale´s win over Lindland

Another fight that comes to mind is Terrell - Smith but that result was more because of a bad call by the ref than just fluke.

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Sokoudjou vs Little nog
Randlemen vs Crocop 1
Coleman vs Shogun
Vitale vs Lindland

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I wouldnt say CroCop vs Randleman was a fluke, will it ever happen again? Probably not, but he still threw the punch and it landed.

I would say Lindland knocking himself out was a fluke, and Shogun breaking his arm is another one.

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Anderson Silvas wins over Chris Leben and Rich Franklin

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lauzon vs. jens pulver for cryin out loud

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Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi

Anderson Silvas wins over Chris Leben and Rich Franklin



good one

Like wkm I find it hard to consider Soko and Randleman´s KOs lucky. They train MMA. They train to knock people out and that's what they did by throwing those punches.

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Posted by Stickan


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Anderson Silvas wins over Chris Leben and Rich Franklin



good one

Like wkm I find it hard to consider Soko and Randleman´s KOs lucky. They train MMA. They train to knock people out and that's what they did by throwing those punches.




I'm glad someone picked up on my joke!

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Posted by Stickan


Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi

Anderson Silvas wins over Chris Leben and Rich Franklin



good one

Like wkm I find it hard to consider Soko and Randleman´s KOs lucky. They train MMA. They train to knock people out and that's what they did by throwing those punches.




So only people slamming/tripping themselfs into knockout/injury counts as a fluke?

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IMO accidents count as flukes. Randleman tried to hit CroCop´s head with that left. Coleman didn't intend to trip Shogun so that he would fall and break his arm.

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Cro Cop expected Randleman to shoot that's why he lowered his guard to sprawl but got hit (hard) by Randleman, it was no fluke.

Lauzon's victory over Pulver was no fluke either (similar to the above explanation). Although Pulver was not in the right mentality during that fight so I guess you could argue that it was a "fluke." Meh, Pulver is not the same since fighting in PRIDE and being KO'd by Gomi.

Man, it is hard to define what a "fluke" win is ... I suppose it is a lucky punch since its rare for people to actually jump into a triangle choke. Then again, is it considered luck if you threw a punch with the intent of knocking someone out?

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A win caused by a strike that I would count as a fluke though is TK against Fedor since he clipped him with an illegal blow (elbow) and his intention was hitting him with the hand.
That's outside of UFC/Pride though.

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I have to say there are no real fluke wins if someone actually trains MMA, just highly unlikely outcomes sometimes.

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Posted by Northrend

Sokoudjou vs Little nog
Randlemen vs Crocop 1
Coleman vs Shogun
Vitale vs Lindland



Your last two I agree with, the first two I don't. When you throw the punch and it connects, lights out.

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If Lindland's loss to Vitale is a fluke then so is Arona's to Shogun. If you throw someone and they shift their weight so you land on your head that's not a fluke, especially with that type of throw.

If you break your arm posting that's not a fluke either, there's a good reason they train you not to do that in Judo when you're being thrown.

If you get KO'ed because someone throws a punch at your jawline that's not a fluke either.

A fluke was BJ seperating his ribs taking Matt's back. There wasn't any precedent for it.

Another fluke (albeit in Abu Dhabi) was Chris Brennan seperating his rib when Marcelo Garcia armbarred him. The win wasn't a fluke but the method was.

Yamamoto's win over Kerr was a fluke, Kerr has been wrestling for ages and a double leg takedown doesn't get you KOed.

Mirko's win over Barnett in the first fight was a Fluke. How often do you break someone's arm with an overhook?

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