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Was Brock winded by the end of his fight with Heath Herring?

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Was Brock winded in his fight with Heath Herring?
Yes, he was winded 8 17%
No, he was not winded 38 83%
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So Rampageownedyou and I have had this little argument over wether Brock was winded by the end of the Heath Herring fight.

I say he could have gone another two rounds, Rampage says he wasn't winded. Settle this once and for all for us guys

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Post #1   10/28/08 7:28:32PM   

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I think he looked like he could go 2 more..All he did was lay on Heath hopefully he wont be able to do the same against Randy.I dont think Cardio should be a problem with anyone with a wrestling background as they're used to cutting weight and exerting themselves.

Post #2   10/28/08 7:40:44PM   

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In terms of heart rate I think he was probably in the 160's. Not peaked out, but definitely "exercised" I don't think Herring forced enough scrambles and made Lesnar do enough work to get him totally exhausted. It's not a good gauge for his cardio IMO because Brock preserved strength and energy from the top by playing a conservative game.

At that pace I believe he could have gone another 2 rounds but we would have seen a significant difference toward the middle of the 5th.

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ok first off. I didnt say he was winded, i was quoting you.
What I was saying, is that he was tired by end of the 2nd. And didnt look like the guy in the 1st round vs Heith.

What I also said was that Randy should have no problem with him, if he goes into the 3rd and later rounds, the way he looked in the Heith fight. If Heith had any solid energy in the 3rd, he would of been able to do something to beat Lesnar.

Mind you i did say, only trouble Randy will be in is the 1st round, because Brock seems to go all out 1st round and being a big guy, he tires and gets sluggish.

Time will tell, and we shall see come Randy vs Brock.

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If thats all you said your post wouldnt of got deleted, I went to copy and paste it, And its gone! Fighter Basher...

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lol
You want a baby whipe?


I made refrence to Heith and how he looked against Brock on the ground...wasnt actually that bad.
And Herring is in my top 10 of fav fighters, so i guess i cant be critical about a fav fighter of mine.


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Posted by Jackelope

In terms of heart rate I think he was probably in the 160's. Not peaked out, but definitely "exercised" I don't think Herring forced enough scrambles and made Lesnar do enough work to get him totally exhausted. It's not a good gauge for his cardio IMO because Brock preserved strength and energy from the top by playing a conservative game.

At that pace I believe he could have gone another 2 rounds but we would have seen a significant difference toward the middle of the 5th.




Herring was trying to do the same scrambles he does in every fight, where he gives up his back, traps one arm and rolls over (like he did to Kongo in their fight). But when he tried to do that with Lesnar, Lesnar didnt put the hooks in and put his weight on Herring, making it harder for him to roll over. Just like Tyson Griffin, where they are confident in their sub defence, so they bait their opponents so that they can get into a better position. I think Brock's strength and top control was too much for him to do anything, if he would have go on to his back, IMO he would have taken alot more clean shots.

As far as him being winded, I dont think he was, but Herring's inability to scramble out of that position made things easier for Lesnar, as all he had to do was control him, and throw a few shots. Which he even had to be careful with, because Herring was trying to face away from Lesnar, so Lesnar had to pick his shots to not hit the back of the head.

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Herring was trying to do the same scrambles he does in every fight, where he gives up his back, traps one arm and rolls over (like he did to Kongo in their fight). But when he tried to do that with Lesnar, Lesnar didnt put the hooks in and put his weight on Herring, making it harder for him to roll over. Just like Tyson Griffin, where they are confident in their sub defence, so they bait their opponents so that they can get into a better position. I think Brock's strength and top control was too much for him to do anything, if he would have go on to his back, IMO he would have taken alot more clean shots.


good post.

With that being said. You still cant disagree Lesnar was more tired then the 1st round?.
Yeah maybe he wasnt exhausted, but lets face it, when we see Randy and Lesnar fight....we will see how tired Brock will get....thats of course unless the fight ends early...

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I don't think he was winded I think he was gassed



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I thought he got tired lol, and that was Herring who we know is not a wrestler by any means lol.

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Posted by juanez13


Posted by Jackelope

In terms of heart rate I think he was probably in the 160's. Not peaked out, but definitely "exercised" I don't think Herring forced enough scrambles and made Lesnar do enough work to get him totally exhausted. It's not a good gauge for his cardio IMO because Brock preserved strength and energy from the top by playing a conservative game.

At that pace I believe he could have gone another 2 rounds but we would have seen a significant difference toward the middle of the 5th.




Herring was trying to do the same scrambles he does in every fight, where he gives up his back, traps one arm and rolls over (like he did to Kongo in their fight). But when he tried to do that with Lesnar, Lesnar didnt put the hooks in and put his weight on Herring, making it harder for him to roll over. Just like Tyson Griffin, where they are confident in their sub defence, so they bait their opponents so that they can get into a better position. I think Brock's strength and top control was too much for him to do anything, if he would have go on to his back, IMO he would have taken alot more clean shots.

As far as him being winded, I dont think he was, but Herring's inability to scramble out of that position made things easier for Lesnar, as all he had to do was control him, and throw a few shots. Which he even had to be careful with, because Herring was trying to face away from Lesnar, so Lesnar had to pick his shots to not hit the back of the head.



LOL thanks for the education on MMA but you're not telling me anything I don't already know

I'm just saying that he should have tried to force more scrambles. Instead of going for the same thing over and over perhaps he should have used his JJ experience over Lesnar and turned into him for guard/half guard and then tried to work. I dunno, call me crazy but if I try something 10 times and it doesn't work I'm going to try something else. Even if that means taking risks. I certainly would have known if I was Heath that I wasn't going to win the fight on points by sitting there letting Brock lay on me while taking pot shots.

What Brock did was control from the top and preserve energy. It was smart. I'm not taking anything away from him. I'm just saying Heath could have tried a lot more things to force a scramble and ultimately I think he got thrown off his gameplan from the get-go. Brock's cardio was tested, but not near to the extent that it needs to be. I still don't buy into anyone being able to power all those muscles for 3 rounds at a frenetic pace and I believe along with Jiu Jitsu and standing footwork this is going to be where Lesnar gets exposed.

Not to mention that I can't believe an experienced fighter like Herring fell for the fake shoot to overhand right. It was just a poor showing from Herring.

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Posted by Jackelope

LOL thanks for the education on MMA but you're not telling me anything I don't already know

I'm just saying that he should have tried to force more scrambles. Instead of going for the same thing over and over perhaps he should have used his JJ experience over Lesnar and turned into him for guard/half guard and then tried to work. I dunno, call me crazy but if I try something 10 times and it doesn't work I'm going to try something else. Even if that means taking risks. I certainly would have known if I was Heath that I wasn't going to win the fight on points by sitting there letting Brock lay on me while taking pot shots.

What Brock did was control from the top and preserve energy. It was smart. I'm not taking anything away from him. I'm just saying Heath could have tried a lot more things to force a scramble and ultimately I think he got thrown off his gameplan from the get-go. Brock's cardio was tested, but not near to the extent that it needs to be. I still don't buy into anyone being able to power all those muscles for 3 rounds at a frenetic pace and I believe along with Jiu Jitsu and standing footwork this is going to be where Lesnar gets exposed.

Not to mention that I can't believe an experienced fighter like Herring fell for the fake shoot to overhand right. It was just a poor showing from Herring.



HEY! Sometimes the fake shot looks real, it happends to the best fighters in the world!

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I think Brock could have went 2 more rounds easy.

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the fake shot was brilliant and worked because herring did not think lesnar would stand up against him- I think Herring was just overmatched athletically as will most fighters bee against the Brock- I am hating that my spidey senses are telling me Brock wins -

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Posted by Cdellorso

the fake shot was brilliant and worked because herring did not think lesnar would stand up against him- I think Herring was just overmatched athletically as will most fighters bee against the Brock- I am hating that my spidey senses are telling me Brock wins -



id have to agree. brock also seems to have a great corner and game planner. but randy is one of the best

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