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Sherk being overlooked
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KYGUY07
In Full Mount
Career record: 193-102
Season: 42-28 (#1653)
Location: KY
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People dont give Sherk the credit he deserves, he lost to hughes who at the time was the best out there, then he lost to gsp whos top 3 p4p imo, and B.J. whos also top 3 p4p, thats nothing to be ashamed of, plus hes beaten florian, diaz, franca, and lots of other great fighters, I think people just dont like Sherk and thats why he dont get the credit he deserves.
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Post #16 10/7/08 11:39:55AM
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mkiv9secsupra
MMA Sensei
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Career record: 211-136
Season: 41-29 (#1810)
Location: ATL, GA
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Sherk is top 5 no doubt!
If Aoki and Alvarez trully thought they were numero uno then they should be fighting in the UFC against the number one to prove it...its easy to look good when you fight other b level fighters. Kawjiri, Hansen, Ishida, Thomson, and Melendez dont compare to Stevenson, Florian, Guida, Edgar, Maynard, and Griffin.
The best fighters have always been in the UFC. LHW, MW, WW, HW, and LW. To prove you are the best you have to beat the best.
And how did Nick Diaz drop off the rankings all together?
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Post #17 10/7/08 11:50:10AM
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Fearless915
Banned
Career record: 25-14
Season: 25-14 (#4363)
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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Stevenson over Sherk? year that's stupid
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Post #18 10/7/08 12:00:09PM
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JohnnyNapalm
MMA Regular
Career record: 22-14
Season: 22-14 (#5568)
Location: In a vacuum named Hoover
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Sherk is being overlooked 'cause he's so short.
Needs to get up on his toes.
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Post #19 10/7/08 12:18:12PM
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loonytnt
MMA Sensei
Career record: 126-99
Season: 33-24 (#4027)
Location: idaho
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sherk is very tough but, i think the roids are still in a lot of peoples minds so i can see that being why people dont think he is as good as he is
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Post #20 10/7/08 12:57:47PM
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Career record: 121-59
Season: 55-15 (#42)
Location: Massachusetts
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
Sherk is top 5 no doubt!
If Aoki and Alvarez trully thought they were numero uno then they should be fighting in the UFC against the number one to prove it...its easy to look good when you fight other b level fighters. Kawjiri, Hansen, Ishida, Thomson, and Melendez dont compare to Stevenson, Florian, Guida, Edgar, Maynard, and Griffin.
The best fighters have always been in the UFC. LHW, MW, WW, HW, and LW. To prove you are the best you have to beat the best.
And how did Nick Diaz drop off the rankings all together?
The lightweights you mentioned are not B level fighters. Japan has always had an incredibly stacked LW division.
For the sake of simplicity I'll use MMA weekly's rankings which I feel are one of the best around even if they're not perfect.
Kawajiri #6 Notable victories over Per Ecklund, Joachim Hansen, Vitor Ribeiro, and Yves Edwards
Hansen #5 Notable victories over Takanori Gomi, Shinya Aoki, Caol Uno, and Gesias Cavalcante
Gesias Cavalcante #7 Notable victories over Caol Uno, Vitor Ribeiro, and Bart Palaszewski
Ishida #8 Notable victories over Gilbert Melendez, Marcus Aurelio, and David Bieklheden
Thomson #9 Notable victories over Gilbert Melendez, Duane Ludwig, Hermes Franca, and Rob McCullough
Melendez #unranked Notable victories over Kawajiri, Clay Guida, and Rumina Sato (Mr flying armbar)
Stevenson #10
Florian, Guida, Edgar, Maynard, and Griffin are unranked (Florian probably should be ranked but the others are outside the top 10).
I think they compare more favorably for Japan. Oustide of a fight with BJPenn I don't think there is a tremendous amount of competition to draw these fighters to the UFC.
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Post #21 10/7/08 4:15:17PM
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Pookie
Heavyweight Champ
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Career record: 203-92
Season: 52-18 (#56)
Location: 707
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
Kawjiri, Hansen, Ishida, Thomson, and Melendez dont compare to Stevenson, Florian, Guida, Edgar, Maynard, and Griffin.
I just want to add that Gilbert Milendez absolutely dominated his fight against Guida. 5 round fight and Guida lost all 5
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Post #22 10/7/08 4:16:45PM
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WrestlersAssassin
MMA Regular
Career record: 32-17
Season: 32-17 (#2941)
Location: Arizona
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Feijao and JZ will be some of the biggest stars in MMA sooner or later.
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Post #23 10/7/08 4:18:42PM
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WarWagon Never Die!
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Career record: 173-125
Season: 34-36 (#3376)
Location: talkin trash to the garbage around me
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Sherk is a boring one dimensional overrated roid head who's never beaten a top ten guy. Why anyone would even think about him right now is beyond me. Let him step in the ring w/ a top level guy and have an impressive win, then I'll thnk about him having a legit rating.
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Post #24 10/7/08 5:33:48PM
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bls1919
MMA Sensei
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Career record: 155-90
Season: 48-19 (#352)
Location: Clarendon, PENNSYLVANNIA
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I think Sherk will fade away soon. He is tough as nails but is very one dimensional. We'll se how he does against Griffin.
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Post #25 10/7/08 5:41:06PM
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gartface
MMA Sensei
Career record: 147-96
Season: 51-19 (#178)
Location: Flo-town, SC
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Posted by Pookie
Posted by xxMALICExx
Pookie, I guess his record does look more impressive than it actually is. And I see what you are saying about not beating a top 10 at the actual fight date.
His notable wins are over
Parisyan
Diaz
Florian
Franca
IMO the franca fight doesn count, as both fighters were on steroids and performed differently then they would have without.
I agree. And not to be a dick, but Karo was 19 years old both times he fought Sean Sherk.
IMO Sean has to prove himself again after the suspension, that he is capable of beating top competition. I'll put him back in the rankings if he beats Tyson Griffin.
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Post #26 10/7/08 5:54:03PM
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pv3Hpv3p
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 197-141
Season: 37-33 (#2654)
Location: East St. Paul, MN
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
Sherk is top 5 no doubt!
If Aoki and Alvarez trully thought they were numero uno then they should be fighting in the UFC against the number one to prove it...its easy to look good when you fight other b level fighters. Kawjiri, Hansen, Ishida, Thomson, and Melendez dont compare to Stevenson, Florian, Guida, Edgar, Maynard, and Griffin.
The best fighters have always been in the UFC. LHW, MW, WW, HW, and LW. To prove you are the best you have to beat the best.
And how did Nick Diaz drop off the rankings all together?
LOL... Stevenson? Maynard? Guida? Griffen? Who have they beaten that is the best? Stevenson's biggest win was against... Yves Edwards maybe? And Maynard has all of five fights with a lay and pray win over Edgar... Guida has actually lost to one of the fighters you mentioned (Melendez)... Florian's biggest win was the overhyped Huerta...
It's all in perspective man... Kawajiri, Hansen, Melendez, Alvarez, and Aoki are top LW's for sure, hate on em if you want... But don't go around comparing a guy like Gray Maynard to Joachim Hansen or Tatsuya Kawajiri... Maybe in 5 years... maybe after he gets a few more fights under his belt... Maybe after he fights some top comp like a Gomi, Alvarez, Aoki, Melendez, even a BJ Penn or one of the other LW's you mentioned besides the unfortunately undersized Frankie Edgar (I know he wants to be in the big show, but he really should be fighting at 145, he'd be a monster)... Just because the guy's haven't been showcased on a reality TV show doesn't make them less of a fighter... Pulver was considered one of the best LW in the UFC not long ago and take a look at how he did against a couple of the big dogs from Japan...
Don't let biased turn you blind to talent... Not everyone wants to fight for the UFC and shouldn't have to...
Lol... Gray Maynard...
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Post #27 10/8/08 11:41:18AM
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