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big_timmy
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Its hard to go past Miletich Camp, but whats the best MMA team going around?
Who would win in an all in brawl between Miletich and Xtreme Couture?
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Post #1 10/4/08 8:27:06AM
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I think the recent trend going round nowadays is just don't pick against a guy from jacksons camp, so they must be up there. Who does milletich even have nowdays? I thought most of the tops guys had branched out to new gyms or started their own in hughes case.
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Post #2 10/4/08 9:11:26AM
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Yea i dont think Miletech is not a top camp anymore
I think the 3 Big camps right now are ATT, Xtreme Couture, and Greg Jackson's camp.
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Post #3 10/4/08 9:26:09AM
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Bowen50
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it's definitly Xtreme Couture and Jacksons MMA. lets let Forrest Vs. Rashad be the tie breaker.
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Post #4 10/4/08 9:31:38AM
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big_timmy
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I guess Miletich is on the way down now. But its hard to go past them as the greatest team of champions over the years.
Jacksons team does have 2 dudes who have beaten chuck, and thats gotta be a banner above the door for any gym.
And Xtreme Couture does have 2 UFC champs, and again, thats something to behold.
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Post #5 10/4/08 9:52:45AM
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Posted by juanez13
Yea i dont think Miletech is not a top camp anymore
I think the 3 Big camps right now are ATT, Xtreme Couture, and Greg Jackson's camp.
I agree. There was a time when you could argue that Miletich, BTT, and Chute Boxe had the top guys, but as of right now, Juanez is spot on.
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Post #6 10/4/08 10:04:42AM
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Black House/Team Noguiera is the top camp by far right now. Nog's going to continue to reign atop the HW division, Filho will come in and make waves, and there's no need to explain how dominant Silva is. Not to mention Lil' Nog, Machida, and a host of others.
Jackson and Xtreme Couture are right there but IMO while they gameplan good, they just don't have the fighter execution that Black House does.
Miletich's top fighters these days are Rothwell, Sylvia, Fisher and McFedries. They just aren't the same camp they once were. Agreed that years ago they were the dominant camp, but that was going on 3 years now. ATT is also a great camp, but we won't see the full potential out of them for another couple years. Give it 3 or 4 years and I bet there will be several ATT champs in the UFC
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Post #7 10/4/08 11:33:55AM
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JoeySteel
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Brazilian Top Team?
What the Heck?
Didn't there used to be a camp between Big Nog and the Spider? Black House or something like that, and Machida was in it too I think.
What's up with that?
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Post #8 10/4/08 11:37:36AM
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Posted by Jackelope
Black House/Team Noguiera is the top camp by far right now. Nog's going to continue to reign atop the HW division, Filho will come in and make waves, and there's no need to explain how dominant Silva is. Not to mention Lil' Nog, Machida, and a host of others.
Jackson and Xtreme Couture are right there but IMO while they gameplan good, they just don't have the fighter execution that Black House does.
Miletich's top fighters these days are Rothwell, Sylvia, Fisher and McFedries. They just aren't the same camp they once were. Agreed that years ago they were the dominant camp, but that was going on 3 years now. ATT is also a great camp, but we won't see the full potential out of them for another couple years. Give it 3 or 4 years and I bet there will be several ATT champs in the UFC
I disagree, Although Black House does have a couple great fighters, they havent been in it long enough, they lack in the depth department, while cams like ATT and Xtreme Couture has a much more in depth roster. Aside from a couple of successful fighters coming out of Black House (who were successful before they go in) they really havent really build up fighters, which no doubt they will, but it'll take time, they are still relatively new. Although they have two UFC champs, i think the success of the camp needs to be measured by the success of their whole roster, which aside from their few top fighters, they havent showed much yet, while camps like ATT and Xtreme couture have.
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Post #9 10/4/08 3:37:11PM
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Posted by juanez13
Posted by Jackelope
Black House/Team Noguiera is the top camp by far right now. Nog's going to continue to reign atop the HW division, Filho will come in and make waves, and there's no need to explain how dominant Silva is. Not to mention Lil' Nog, Machida, and a host of others.
Jackson and Xtreme Couture are right there but IMO while they gameplan good, they just don't have the fighter execution that Black House does.
Miletich's top fighters these days are Rothwell, Sylvia, Fisher and McFedries. They just aren't the same camp they once were. Agreed that years ago they were the dominant camp, but that was going on 3 years now. ATT is also a great camp, but we won't see the full potential out of them for another couple years. Give it 3 or 4 years and I bet there will be several ATT champs in the UFC
I disagree, Although Black House does have a couple great fighters, they havent been in it long enough, they lack in the depth department, while cams like ATT and Xtreme Couture has a much more in depth roster. Aside from a couple of successful fighters coming out of Black House (who were successful before they go in) they really havent really build up fighters, which no doubt they will, but it'll take time, they are still relatively new. Although they have two UFC champs, i think the success of the camp needs to be measured by the success of their whole roster, which aside from their few top fighters, they havent showed much yet, while camps like ATT and Xtreme couture have.
I suppose it's how you define "best" then. I define "best" as the camp that has the most successful members. With 3 champions, another soon-to-be champion (Machida) it's hard for me to deny their greatness.
I think if Rashad wins over Griffin you can make an argument for Jackson's being the top camp, but otherwise I don't see how you can make an argument.
As for deepest roster of talent then absolutely Xtreme Couture, ATT and Greg Jackson's takes the cake IMO.
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Post #10 10/4/08 3:50:41PM
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Black House has the best camp, the prove, is just look to their fighters, we have TWO dominant champions, and one Top Contender.
You can say Greg has the best camp, the fighters, really impress, but they don't give results. Rashad can be the first champion, if he does that, their camp maybe, can enter in discussion against Black House.
Xtreme Couture is the nearest camp right now, having Couture and forrest, and Tyson Griffin as top contender and a lot of other fighters in good situation, you can say Xtreme is the better, but in my opinion, Black House take this one.
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Post #11 10/4/08 5:16:11PM
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Posted by Nitrus
You can say Greg has the best camp, the fighters, really impress, but they don't give results. Rashad can be the first champion, if he does that, their camp maybe, can enter in discussion against Black House.
does GSP count for being a champ under Jackson?
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Post #12 10/4/08 5:39:39PM
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Posted by CantAndleDaRiddum
Posted by Nitrus
You can say Greg has the best camp, the fighters, really impress, but they don't give results. Rashad can be the first champion, if he does that, their camp maybe, can enter in discussion against Black House.
does GSP count for being a champ under Jackson?
Yeah,I forgot about GSP.
Now Greg camp can join the discussion
But I continue thinking that Black House is the best around
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Post #13 10/4/08 7:06:13PM
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Posted by CantAndleDaRiddum
Posted by Nitrus
You can say Greg has the best camp, the fighters, really impress, but they don't give results. Rashad can be the first champion, if he does that, their camp maybe, can enter in discussion against Black House.
does GSP count for being a champ under Jackson?
I counted GSP so that's why I didn't completely close out Jackson from the conversation. Still, that's one champion whereas Black House has Filho, Noguiera, and Silva.
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Post #14 10/4/08 7:35:49PM
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Posted by Nitrus
Black House has the best camp, the prove, is just look to their fighters, we have TWO dominant champions, and one Top Contender.
You can say Greg has the best camp, the fighters, really impress, but they don't give results. Rashad can be the first champion, if he does that, their camp maybe, can enter in discussion against Black House.
Xtreme Couture is the nearest camp right now, having Couture and forrest, and Tyson Griffin as top contender and a lot of other fighters in good situation, you can say Xtreme is the better, but in my opinion, Black House take this one.
aside from their top dogs (Nog , Machida, A.Silva,Filho) they dont have anybody else that is worth mentioning, all 4 of which were alreayd good fighters before joining black house. All their other fighter are virtually unknown, and are fighting lower level competition, while the other camps mentioned before have tons of guys fighting top competition constantly, and have plenty guys in top orgs. Put it this way, if they were to have a team competition against the other camps, they would get their lose to all those teams.
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