Decision on Belcher/Herman fight was ................. |
| Posted By |
Message |
|
|
Terrible. And this is coming from a guy who was rooting for Belcher and picked him in a UD win. Herman really won that. Alan got the better of the standup. So what. He did not dominate the standup, or win it by a lot. He got the better of it. But Ed Herman took him down, plural times, every round. And every single round ended with Ed Herman on top. Think about it. The UFC is suppossed to tell you who the best real fighter is. Well if this was a real fight, and you broke up the rounds into different fights. Every time, Belcher is doing better on their feet, but Herman is also getting shots, then is taking him down, and holding him and hitting him. Ed would win the fight. Its weird that the image of Herman on top position did not sway them to score in his favor. Herman took more shots, but hes a tough guy, not complicated fighter, he pretty much comes straight ahead, will take shots, he tucks in his chin, and gets the takedown. When you have a guy on the ground, your controlling him. And this is coming from a guy who likes stand up fighting. But you gotta keep it real. They got get better judges yall.
|
|
Post #1 9/18/08 10:31:14PM
|
nellyhiphophead
In Full Mount
Career record: 229-118
Season: 53-17 (#50)
Location: nelson b.c canada
|
i had hermen winning 2 rounds to 1 but that 3rd ould of gone both ways. not the biggest screwover but i think hermen won the fight.
|
|
Post #2 9/18/08 10:44:33PM
|
so much to do, so little time
| 1 |  |  |
1 |
Career record: 169-80
Season: 50-20 (#215)
Location: Coon Rapids, Minnesota
|
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. I've seen worse decisions in the UFC (Hammill vs Bisping). Yeah Ed dominated the ground, but Belcher dominated with kicks and punches. i agree with the split decision. Belcher landed some big shots and even though Ed dominated him on the ground, he was unable to lock anything up and finish him. Maybe if the fight went on with Herman in the mount another 30 seconds Ed could have pounded him out or subbed him. That wasn't the case though
|
|
Post #3 9/18/08 10:44:51PM
|
Twenty20Dollars
MMA Sensei
Career record: 168-91
Season: 47-23 (#640)
Location: KC,MO
|
I picked belcher to win but i was a bit shocked that belcher won the fight, i thought for sure herman won the fight, but neither guy should be happy with that fight it wasnt too impressive for either guy.
Also i had nate diaz winning UD not a split decision, judging seemed a bit off that night.
|
|
Post #4 9/18/08 10:56:46PM
|
nickcuc547
MMA Sensei
Career record: 219-128
Season: 45-25 (#813)
Location:
|
herman won no doubt. don't get me wrong, the fight was a close fight, but if you score it round by round there is no way herman didn't win the first and third rounds.
|
|
Post #5 9/18/08 11:08:25PM
|
nickcuc547
MMA Sensei
Career record: 219-128
Season: 45-25 (#813)
Location:
|
Posted by kopower
It was a close fight that could have gone either way. I've seen worse decisions in the UFC (Hammill vs Bisping). Yeah Ed dominated the ground, but Belcher dominated with kicks and punches. i agree with the split decision. Belcher landed some big shots and even though Ed dominated him on the ground, he was unable to lock anything up and finish him. Maybe if the fight went on with Herman in the mount another 30 seconds Ed could have pounded him out or subbed him. That wasn't the case though
i think that one was almost as bad as hammil vs. bisping, no joke.
|
|
Post #6 9/18/08 11:09:30PM
|
MMA Sensei
| 1 |  | |
1 |
Career record: 121-59
Season: 55-15 (#42)
Location: Massachusetts
|
Herman was getting the worse of the standup no question. In the first rond Belcher dominated for four minutes on the feet. When Herman got him down he tried for a Darce and couldn't get it. A gfailed submission attempt isn't nearly as damaging as getting punched and kicked over and over. In fact I think too many points are given for takedowns and submission attempts. I mean if you don't do anything with it the guy isn't any worse for wear.
The 2nd round was all Belcher.
The third round Belcher dominated him again on the feet and Herman got about 20 seconds of ground and pound. But for a good 4 minutes he was getting rocked and beaten on his feet. He almost got put away. Herman just didn't mount him fast enough. He really never got to land anything clean.
Herman finished rounds strong but never got to inflict any serios damage. Belcher dominated about 80% of each round. I picked Herman and I was praying it would go his way, but I knew if I were a judge I would have scored it for Belcher.
|
|
Post #7 9/18/08 11:18:33PM
|
Smooth
Career record: 75-47
Season: 41-29 (#1810)
Location: Glen Ellyn
|
Herman won because I want more points
_______________________________________
Proud Junior Dos Santos nuthugger
2 underdog wins (thanks to Aoki and Etim)
1-0 on Avatar bets
"I pick Matt Brown to win... by murder?" Amir Sadollah
|
|
Post #8 9/18/08 11:23:17PM
|
|
|
Posted by Wolfenstein
Herman was getting the worse of the standup no question. In the first rond Belcher dominated for four minutes on the feet. When Herman got him down he tried for a Darce and couldn't get it. A gfailed submission attempt isn't nearly as damaging as getting punched and kicked over and over. In fact I think too many points are given for takedowns and submission attempts. I mean if you don't do anything with it the guy isn't any worse for wear.
The 2nd round was all Belcher.
The third round Belcher dominated him again on the feet and Herman got about 20 seconds of ground and pound. But for a good 4 minutes he was getting rocked and beaten on his feet. He almost got put away. Herman just didn't mount him fast enough. He really never got to land anything clean.
Herman finished rounds strong but never got to inflict any serios damage. Belcher dominated about 80% of each round. I picked Herman and I was praying it would go his way, but I knew if I were a judge I would have scored it for Belcher.
With all due respect I could not disagree more. The standup was not that different from either guy. Belcher had more diverse and better standup, and stronger shots, but Ed Herman is very tough. Its one thing if your hitting a chump. Another thing if your hitting a tough guy who can take it, and give it back to you. Herman got his hits in, and used it to consistenly grab and slam Belcher to the canvas. Again you wanna see a true winner. EVERY SINGLE round ends with Herman in dominant control, and Belcher looking like he needs to modify his gameplan and capability to get out of this positions. You dont get the feeling that Belcher is jumping up, it seems that if it where longer rounds Herman with either via a sub of tko. It seems crazy to me that a guy who is close in the standup, and taking a guy down, and slamming him consecutively and finishing every round in that position would get screwed like that. Yeah Belcher landed some shots, thats a misjudgement to Herman's toughness to think he was that messed up from it. Remember this is the guy who took a kick right to the mid section referring to the start of the Finale, versus Kendall Grove, when they battled, and drove right through that and got a takedown. It was a close fight, but a clear victory for Herman. I think the voting backs that up. Either way , both have improved.
Last edited 9/18/08 11:49PM by InSearchofSunrise
Edit note/reason: n/a
|
|
Post #9 9/18/08 11:47:15PM
|
Pitbull09
MMA Sensei
Career record: 134-69
Season: 43-23 (#1565)
Location: PA
|
I don't understand some posters on here. For past months, many people have been arguing on judging usually relating to takedowns being too much of a factor. Look at this fight.
Round 1
Belcher does the better of stand up, 2:50ish into the fight it goes into the clinch until finally Ed Herman take Belcher down. Key part is what he does after. For the rest of the fight Herman goes for a Darce choke. Though he fails every time and Belcher keeps getting up, he made a lot of attempts that could have ended the fight
First round- Herman 10-9 (Keep in mind Belcher was doing well the first half of this round)
Round 2
Belcher dominates standing like the previous round except this time his strikes are way mroe accurate and he doesnt go over his head. Eventually, he punches low until Herman guards and then shoots up and catches Herman hard. Herman backs and is put in the clinch. Striking continues in Belcher's favor.
Second round- Belcher 10-9 (Belcher won this round 10-9, however he dominated the whole round unlike Herman's first round that did little damage to Belcher. Herman was rocked badly in the second.)
Round 3
Belcher continues his strikes, less active then last round but still effective. Eventually Herman gets a takedown but Belcher gets up. Belcher continues striking. Herman takes him down again near the end of the round, gets full mount and reigns punches down (many missing or blocked.)
Third Round- Belcher 10-9 (Belcher still did the most damage in this round. Herman's first takedown should factor in little or at all as he did nothing once he got Belcher down. Also, Belcher was striking well through about 3 minutes of this round. Some people seemed to forget all about that because Herman took him down and got 30 seconds of GnP. Was it effect though? Belcher was in trouble for that position but he blocked the punches well and didnt get hurt to badly. I mean once the bell sounded, Belcher had no problem getting up.
So anyone who gives it to Herman, I would say you favor takedowns way to strongly in fights. This has been the problem for awhile now with judges and I admitt after that fight I was cursing at my TV because I thought it was going Hermans way even though he got beat up bad in that fight.
You can't cancel out crisp striking because a guy was able to take him down sometime in the round. It what they do once it is on the ground that matters and almost every thing Herman did wasnt effective.
Also, did anyone notice they said on the site he won by unanimous decision instead of split?
|
|
Post #10 9/18/08 11:52:41PM
|
AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
In Full Mount
Career record: 115-56
Season: 49-21 (#525)
Location: BC CANADA
|
cecil peoples 29-28 belcher, how many times must this man **** up before he gets canned?
|
|
Post #11 9/19/08 12:10:37AM
|
|
|
I cant believe people a few people think Belcher was dominating the standup. He was getting the better of it, but Ed Herman was walking right through him, slamming him, keeping him down, and landing shots. I think some rounds he slammed him many times.
|
|
Post #12 9/19/08 10:00:54AM
|
|
|
Posted by Pitbull09
I don't understand some posters on here. For past months, many people have been arguing on judging usually relating to takedowns being too much of a factor. Look at this fight.
Round 1
Belcher does the better of stand up, 2:50ish into the fight it goes into the clinch until finally Ed Herman take Belcher down. Key part is what he does after. For the rest of the fight Herman goes for a Darce choke. Though he fails every time and Belcher keeps getting up, he made a lot of attempts that could have ended the fight
First round- Herman 10-9 (Keep in mind Belcher was doing well the first half of this round)
Round 2
Belcher dominates standing like the previous round except this time his strikes are way mroe accurate and he doesnt go over his head. Eventually, he punches low until Herman guards and then shoots up and catches Herman hard. Herman backs and is put in the clinch. Striking continues in Belcher's favor.
Second round- Belcher 10-9 (Belcher won this round 10-9, however he dominated the whole round unlike Herman's first round that did little damage to Belcher. Herman was rocked badly in the second.)
Notice how he left out how Herman was also getting shots in. If you read this you would think Herman did not touch him the whole fight, which is not true. Also Herman did not just take him down, he took him down repeatedly within rounds, and he ended EVERY SINGLE round that way.
Round 3
Belcher continues his strikes, less active then last round but still effective. Eventually Herman gets a takedown but Belcher gets up. Belcher continues striking. Herman takes him down again near the end of the round, gets full mount and reigns punches down (many missing or blocked.)
Third Round- Belcher 10-9 (Belcher still did the most damage in this round. Herman's first takedown should factor in little or at all as he did nothing once he got Belcher down. Also, Belcher was striking well through about 3 minutes of this round. Some people seemed to forget all about that because Herman took him down and got 30 seconds of GnP. Was it effect though? Belcher was in trouble for that position but he blocked the punches well and didnt get hurt to badly. I mean once the bell sounded, Belcher had no problem getting up.
So anyone who gives it to Herman, I would say you favor takedowns way to strongly in fights. This has been the problem for awhile now with judges and I admitt after that fight I was cursing at my TV because I thought it was going Hermans way even though he got beat up bad in that fight.
You can't cancel out crisp striking because a guy was able to take him down sometime in the round. It what they do once it is on the ground that matters and almost every thing Herman did wasnt effective.
Also, did anyone notice they said on the site he won by unanimous decision instead of split?
Notice how he left out how Herman was also getting shots in. If you read this you would think Herman did not touch him the whole fight, which is not true. Also Herman did not just take him down, he took him down repeatedly within rounds, and he ended EVERY SINGLE round that way.
Last edited 9/19/08 10:03AM by InSearchofSunrise
Edit note/reason: n/a
|
|
Post #13 9/19/08 10:02:29AM
|
Have it!!!
Career record: 136-71
Season: 43-27 (#735)
Location: Newcastle, UK
|
Posted by Pitbull09
Also, did anyone notice they said on the site he won by unanimous decision instead of split?
Apparantly their was a mistake with the score cards and it was actually a UD for Belcher. I really thought he won tbh, id go as far as to say he dominated the stand up. He was rocking herman constantly, but he was just getting to cockey and not trying to finish, or keeping his hands up which did lead to herman landing some decent shots. I just think Herman didnt really do anything when he got the takedowns, and belcher stuffed quited a few and managed to get up a few times aswell.
It was close, but i dont think it would of been a bad decision either way. Could of easily been a draw if the scoring system was differant.
_______________________________________
"There is not a sports drink formulated by any scientist that will hydrate you more than your own urine. When it comes to fight time, the day of my fight I don't eat a single thing — all I do is drink my own urine until I defecate pure urine. That's how I know that my digestive system is completely empty."
Myspace
|
|
Post #14 9/19/08 10:14:34AM
|
mikevolz
Standup Guy
Career record: 94-65
Season: 29-20 (#4236)
Location: us
|
what fight were you watching?
Last edited 9/19/08 11:12AM by mikevolz
Edit note/reason: n/a
|
|
Post #15 9/19/08 11:11:21AM
|
|
