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pmeout
MMA Regular
Career record: 83-51
Season: 29-19 (#3964)
Location: cape cod
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...but as we find with a lot of successful veterans they continue to train with the same people for years. With that being said I think a change is a must for Chuck at this piont. Hume, Jackson, Dellagrotte or even too name a few Randy. Seems stratigising is not Hacklemans strong point. What do you guys think?
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Post #1 9/7/08 7:40:24PM
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mkiv9secsupra
MMA Sensei
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Career record: 211-136
Season: 41-29 (#1810)
Location: ATL, GA
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I wish chuck would train with ATT, or hell, even Greg Jackson and he could once again become invincible. There's only so much you can learn from one person and Chuck has reached that limit at The Pit. No disrespect to Hackleman but keeping Chuck their so long is only hurting him. Now that Rampage and Evans have shown everyone the best gameplan its only a matter of time before all the other camps emulate this and Chuck starts the final downhill slide. Chuck is my favorite fighter and i hope he doesnt end his career on a losing streak.
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Post #2 9/7/08 7:53:49PM
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Oh I disagree. I agree stategy is the problem. But its not on Hackleman, its on Chuck. Hackleman is one of the best in this business. He warned Chuck repeatedly not to do that going into the Rampage fight, Chuck did not listen. Im sure John Hackleman told him in training not to do that, Chuck did it again. Im sure in training Chuck will be practicing kicks and working on wrestling, because John knows its important. In many cases the camps are the problem. I think in this particular subject, its more Chuck wants to only fight one way.
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Post #3 9/7/08 7:59:40PM
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pmeout
MMA Regular
Career record: 83-51
Season: 29-19 (#3964)
Location: cape cod
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Good point. But I still think branching out would do a lot for his game. He relied so much on intimidation ala Mike Tyson. Now that he doesn't seem so invincible strategy is key.
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Post #4 9/7/08 8:12:11PM
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CwB
Standup Guy
Career record: 136-94
Season: 28-17 (#4345)
Location: Not the East Coast
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Posted by PrinceofTranceGlobal
Oh I disagree. I agree stategy is the problem. But its not on Hackleman, its on Chuck. Hackleman is one of the best in this business. He warned Chuck repeatedly not to do that going into the Rampage fight, Chuck did not listen. Im sure John Hackleman told him in training not to do that, Chuck did it again. Im sure in training Chuck will be practicing kicks and working on wrestling, because John knows its important. In many cases the camps are the problem. I think in this particular subject, its more Chuck wants to only fight one way.
What is it exactly that hackleman told chuck not to do...
i remember after chuck lost to rampage he admitted that he made the mistake of leading with body punch without protecting himself
in his fight with evans he threw an uppercut and got caught.
i think the problem with chuck is that it is a combination of things
-he is getting older
-he has stayed with the same game plan every single time and it is catching up with him
-the new level of competition... it is a lot harder now to be dominant then 3 years ago
honestly chuck is my favorite fighter ever and watching him lose like that is killing me and i dont want to see him fight nobodys just to get a win. it might be time to retire. (but what do i know im an idiot)
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Post #5 9/7/08 8:59:59PM
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I was watching Chucks' Iceman thing during the Elite Kimbo show, flipping back and forth between the two, and Chuck said that John told him many times not to throw that, Chuck refused to listen.
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Post #6 9/7/08 9:06:20PM
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How do you like me so far?
Career record: 128-68
Season: 50-19 (#243)
Location: Land O' Lakes
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Posted by PrinceofTranceGlobal
I was watching Chucks' Iceman thing during the Elite Kimbo show, flipping back and forth between the two, and Chuck said that John told him many times not to throw that, Chuck refused to listen.
Hasn't it already been established that Chuck admitted to leading to the body after Hackleman told him not to. Or am I missing what you are trying to say here?
Last edited 9/7/08 9:12PM by xxmalicexx
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It don't hurt 'til the bone shows!
You have your way, I have mine. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way. It does not exist.
The Few, The Proud, The MMA Army!!
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Post #7 9/7/08 9:12:36PM
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CanadianCripplr
MMA Regular
Career record: 90-54
Season: 23-14 (#4880)
Location: Langley British Columbia
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I think Icemans winning days are done, I dont mean any disrespect but I dont see him ever beating any of the top guys anymore. If they throw him some tin cans or less he might be able to win but he will never be champion again. I think those of you who think he will are in serious denial.
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Post #8 9/7/08 9:46:09PM
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jawbreaker517
MMA Regular
Career record: 99-48
Season: 28-12 (#4093)
Location: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
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Sounds like you need alot of Chuck-loving support here. Won't get it from me. He's cooked!
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Post #9 9/7/08 9:50:41PM
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casey64
MMA Sensei
Career record: 155-93
Season: 44-25 (#2004)
Location: Football Field
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He's a legend, he needs to fight one more time,win, and then retire.IMO
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Post #10 9/7/08 9:51:51PM
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Posted by xxMALICExx
Posted by PrinceofTranceGlobal
I was watching Chucks' Iceman thing during the Elite Kimbo show, flipping back and forth between the two, and Chuck said that John told him many times not to throw that, Chuck refused to listen.
Hasn't it already been established that Chuck admitted to leading to the body after Hackleman told him not to. Or am I missing what you are trying to say here?
You are missing the point. It completely went over your head. That element of Hackleman telling Chuck what to do, and Chuck not listening is exactly why the camp has nothing to do with it. And look at the lead question of the subject. Its relavant to that, cause it implies its not John its Chuck's stubborness. How did you not understand that?
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Post #11 9/7/08 10:09:28PM
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How do you like me so far?
Career record: 128-68
Season: 50-19 (#243)
Location: Land O' Lakes
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Posted by PrinceofTranceGlobal
Posted by xxMALICExx
Posted by PrinceofTranceGlobal
I was watching Chucks' Iceman thing during the Elite Kimbo show, flipping back and forth between the two, and Chuck said that John told him many times not to throw that, Chuck refused to listen.
Hasn't it already been established that Chuck admitted to leading to the body after Hackleman told him not to. Or am I missing what you are trying to say here?
You are missing the point. It completely went over your head. That element of Hackleman telling Chuck what to do, and Chuck not listening is exactly why the camp has nothing to do with it. And look at the lead question of the subject. Its relavant to that, cause it implies its not John its Chuck's stubborness. How did you not understand that?
Post 3 was you making your stubborn Chuck argument. Post 6 was you making the exact same argument.
I simply stated, "Haven't we already established that?". I got your point. Twice. What about that do you not understand?
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You have your way, I have mine. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way. It does not exist.
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Post #12 9/7/08 10:22:34PM
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prozacnation1978
MMA Sensei
Career record: 174-77
Season: 49-21 (#254)
Location: san diego
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hackleman has taken chuck as far as he could he needs to train with aka or somebody to help him evolve
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Post #13 9/7/08 11:13:55PM
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Next WW Champ!
Career record: 156-95
Season: 41-29 (#2239)
Location: So Cal.
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thanks for makeing me lose all my money chuck........................Thank you 
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Post #14 9/7/08 11:35:10PM
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cloud301336
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if chuck loses one more time then he's washed up. IMO he's still a force to be reconed with, and for what its wroth chuck did win the first round in that fight, it looked to me that he was going to pound his way to a discison victory but Rashad just did his thing that night and sat back and waited too land that same crippling over-hand right that Jackson did. if chuck would have been less agressive the second round he wouldn't have got knocked out, not too take away anything from Rashad he had a great fight that night.
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Post #15 9/8/08 12:25:44AM
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