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nickcuc547
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by king_katool
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
i'm just going to say this: Machida never backpedals...watch his fights over and if you think it's backpedaling you obviously don't understand striking
i do like machida's style and i think its very effective but really you NEVER seen him backpedal??
he side steps, he doesn't back pedal...big difference
come on man, with all due respect I think your drinking the machida kool aid. i once had a case of that in the rampage vs. griffin fight, but with a long battle i overcame it and accept that the decision was the right one.
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Post #31 9/8/08 2:21:02PM
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Kastro
Standup Guy
Career record: 132-75
Season: 29-21 (#3589)
Location: Grimsby Ontario, Canada
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Rashad won fair and square man.... he took it to Liddell and got a big KO win.. give the man the respect he deserves!
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Post #32 9/8/08 2:21:57PM
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mrsmiley
MMA Sensei
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Posted by king_katool
So when machida backpedals who looks for mistakes its ok he;s just elusive, but when everyones fav guy to hate rashad does it and KOs one of everyons fav guys to love its called running, come on guys, rashad won get over, i cant wait for all the hate posts when he GnPs forrest out
I agree.Rashad pulled off a "Machida" like strategy and even finished the fight.Props and respect to Evans for the win.
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Post #33 9/8/08 2:28:30PM
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Career record: 134-73
Season: 50-20 (#178)
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Posted by nickcuc547
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by king_katool
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
i'm just going to say this: Machida never backpedals...watch his fights over and if you think it's backpedaling you obviously don't understand striking
i do like machida's style and i think its very effective but really you NEVER seen him backpedal??
he side steps, he doesn't back pedal...big difference
come on man, with all due respect I think your drinking the machida kool aid. i once had a case of that in the rampage vs. griffin fight, but with a long battle i overcame it and accept that the decision was the right one.
i'm not even a Machida fan. it is clear to me that he takes advantage of angles and side steps to avoid punishment and then retaliates. it is the perfect example of a karate counter fighter. we are just not used to seeing that type of striking style so we label it "back pedaling" when in reality he is side stepping and using angles. there is a clear difference if you have experience in watching technical striking. i train with the ISKA SMW Champion so i now a lot about technical striking as he is big on "make him miss, make him pay"
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Post #34 9/8/08 2:34:41PM
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If "back pedalling" followed by counterattacking is considered cowardly or running away, then jumping right into the mix and exchanging blows should be considered asinine
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Post #35 9/8/08 2:56:30PM
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gsquat
MMA Sensei
Career record: 121-77
Season: 47-23 (#266)
Location: TC, MI
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Call it running if you want, but Rashad was doing it for a reason. I'm sure now you see why. And stop saying,"Why did Chuck have his hands down?" Chuck always has his hands down and out by his side. I'm not surprised at all the Rashad hating. Its in most part because in giving him the respect he deserves, people are also admitting they were terribly wrong about the fight. Everyone who picked Chuck and talked him up said that Rashad was gonna shoot and Chuck was gonna catch him and put him out. Rashad isn't an idiot. Niether is Greg Jackson. Rashad does what he needs to in order to win the fight. Period. So expect each fight to have a different result based on the fighter. Rashad continues to grow with each fight. Now that he's KO'd Liddell, theres a bunch of you saying he's going to try to do the same to Forrest and will fail. Rashad isn't afraid to clinch with Forrest. He's gonna grap him and throw him around like he did to Bonnar and Bisping (both can be compared very closely to Forrest). Even though I'd pick Forrest if he fought Jardine again, Keith did beat him under Greg Jackson's rule. So expect another solid gameplan from Greg and Rashad. Forrest said he wanted to fight Chuck for a reason. He felt he had a better chance at beating him than Rashad, and he does. But too bad for him. 
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Post #36 9/8/08 3:03:47PM
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How do you like me so far?
Career record: 128-68
Season: 50-19 (#243)
Location: Land O' Lakes
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I just re-watched Machida vs Tito, and Rashad vs Chuck. And before I say anything, I will say...They are all great fighters. And this is not about Chuck or Tito at all, it is not about Machida or Rashad either. It is about the difference between Machida's style, and Rashad's style.
Or at least the way I see it.....
Machida....
If you watch the Tito fight, Machida keeps his distance from Tito, but not out of striking distance. He always remains engaged, hands up, good footwork, ready to strike. If Tito moves forward, Machida moves back, but always remaining engaged. To make it quick, the same goes for every other direction as well. The point is, he is always countering his opponents movements, but remains engaged.
Rashad....
If you watch the Chuck fight, Rashad kept his distance from Chuck, but a majority of the time, he was out of striking distance. Not willing to engage. He would make Chuck come to him(a good strategy against Chuck). But when Chuck, would engage, Rashad would jump back, lower his hands, his head would be high, and get well out of striking range, and make Chuck come to him again. Every now and then throwing a big right hand. His gameplan was obvious. Make Chuck keep stalking, hoping Chuck would come in with his left low like he tends to do, and catch him with a big right.
Those are the differences between the two styles. Machida may move away, but always remains engaged, ready to strike. Rashad moves away, but stays well out of striking distance. Take it for what it's worth. Call it what you want.
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Post #37 9/8/08 3:19:26PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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"Call it running if you want, but Rashad was doing it for a reason. I'm sure now you see why. And stop saying,"Why did Chuck have his hands down?" Chuck always has his hands down and out by his side."
well you sort of contradicted yourself. I mean.. Why are you saying that Rashad was running? If you're saying that Rashad's strategy was to frustrate or tire chuck out so that he could create an opening then admitting that Chuck ALWAYS keeps his hands low is kind of admitting that Rashad's "strategy" had nothing to do with Chuck making the mistake he did. If you're saying something else then elaborate.
I just don't see how anyone can possibly say that getting out-pointed and trying to land one huge punch is a good strategy. It doesn't make sense, especially not against someone who is well known to have one of the best chins in the sport. Yes, it will work once in a while, and it did work this time, but the majority of the time it's going to be a losing strategy.
As far as the machida comparison, he does back up but it's the fact that he does so to create an opening and counter-attack immediately that makes it different from running. Rashad was not backing up, taking angles, and using openings to counter... He was just backing up. For the whole fight.
He won and that's great, props to him, but winning doesn't mean that you employed a good strategy. If I am playing poker and I call someone's all-in preflop with ace ten offsuit, then I catch a ten to beat his ace king, I might have won, but I still employed a poor strategy. The ends simply don't justify the means. You can't argue that "he won so obviously he had a plan." That doesn't make sense.
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Post #38 9/8/08 3:25:13PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
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I should elaborate a little bit... I think that making chuck be the aggressor and taking advantage of the openings is a good strategy, but it's the fact that he made chuck come to him, and then continued running that makes it a poor strategy. He was getting outpointed pretty badly before landing that shot. Machida outpoints people from start to finish. He's always in control of the fight. Rashad was not winning the fight.
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Post #39 9/8/08 3:34:04PM
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Posted by xxMALICExx
Rashad....
If you watch the Chuck fight, Rashad kept his distance from Chuck, but a majority of the time, he was out of striking distance. Not willing to engage. He would make Chuck come to him(a good strategy against Chuck). But when Chuck, would engage, Rashad would jump back, lower his hands, his head would be high, and get well out of striking range, and make Chuck come to him again. Every now and then throwing a big right hand. His gameplan was obvious. Make Chuck keep stalking, hoping Chuck would come in with his left low like he tends to do, and catch him with a big right.
The last line might is a little inacurrate. What I meant was...when fighting Chuck the best strategy is to make him stalk you. He is more comfortable countering, so why let him be comfortable. Rashad was doing just that. Rashad was being the counter striker, making Chuck come to him. He wasn't looking for just one big right, he was countering with combinations, but on a couple occasions it appeared that is all he was trying to do, Land a big haymaker.
On the exchange that ended it, Rashad threw a jab, jab, right. Chuck threw a jab, right uppercut. Rashad's landed right on the chin. Chuck just left his left out, and got tagged. It happens.
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Post #40 9/8/08 3:45:21PM
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Posted by Aether
I should elaborate a little bit... I think that making chuck be the aggressor and taking advantage of the openings is a good strategy, but it's the fact that he made chuck come to him, and then continued running that makes it a poor strategy. He was getting outpointed pretty badly before landing that shot. Machida outpoints people from start to finish. He's always in control of the fight. Rashad was not winning the fight.
I agree. I was not saying that Rashad had the best strategy other than making Chuck come to him. That is the best strategy to fight Chuck. He was looking to counter, but only if he had to. Otherwise he was staying out of striking distance, MOST of the time. And yes, I agree he was getting outpointed.
Basically what you said, is what I was trying to say. Sorry if it was a little confusing.
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Post #41 9/8/08 3:50:38PM
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JohnnyNapalm
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
i agree what Rashad and Machida do is smart but just because you are smart does no mean you are a great fighter.
Ummmm, yes it does. Fighting is much more mental than physical. Chuck showed last night being a great puncher means jack shit against a guy who knows how to fight you.
so if i punched a k1 champion once and ran and never let him hit me for an entire 15 minutes i would be a better fighter than him?
Uh, how's does your statement compare to Machida's usual "hit an opponent numerous times over 15 mins. without being hit" fight strategy???
BTW, hit without being hit is just plain smart. Not the most fan friendly to watch, but smart nonetheless.
In the end you'll have a face that doesn't look like it should be hanging from a metal hook in a meat packing plant.
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Post #42 9/8/08 3:59:29PM
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Aether
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Career record: 120-82
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Posted by xxMALICExx
Posted by xxMALICExx
Rashad....
If you watch the Chuck fight, Rashad kept his distance from Chuck, but a majority of the time, he was out of striking distance. Not willing to engage. He would make Chuck come to him(a good strategy against Chuck). But when Chuck, would engage, Rashad would jump back, lower his hands, his head would be high, and get well out of striking range, and make Chuck come to him again. Every now and then throwing a big right hand. His gameplan was obvious. Make Chuck keep stalking, hoping Chuck would come in with his left low like he tends to do, and catch him with a big right.
The last line might is a little inacurrate. What I meant was...when fighting Chuck the best strategy is to make him stalk you. He is more comfortable countering, so why let him be comfortable. Rashad was doing just that. Rashad was being the counter striker, making Chuck come to him. He wasn't looking for just one big right, he was countering with combinations, but on a couple occasions it appeared that is all he was trying to do, Land a big haymaker.
On the exchange that ended it, Rashad threw a jab, jab, right. Chuck threw a jab, right uppercut. Rashad's landed right on the chin. Chuck just left his left out, and got tagged. It happens.
Oh my response was directed at gsquat. You posted while I was typing my reply, so I hadn't read anything you said when I posted mine.
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Post #43 9/8/08 4:17:23PM
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So you wanna see ppl intentionally getting hit? that's a better gameplan? 
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Post #44 9/8/08 4:48:40PM
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keith-hackney1
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
Posted by JimiMak
I think we can all see that Machida would do the same to Chuck because he would also make Chuck press the action. .
haha i think i finally agree with you on this.....damnit
Yes he would, and a hands down by side liddell would probebly get clocked again .... !!! There's the problem, nothing to do with rashad running or lucky punches etc... Liddell constantly has those hands down, its was only a matter of time before he got his card marked with all the great strikers in that division with him.
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