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Keeping the pimp hand strong
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Posted by EliasG
I swear some of you guys need to go to the gym and study up a little bit on your "fighting."
You do know a lot of us on here have back grounds in MMA. Training in Boxing, wresting, BJJ, and many other forums on combat arts. BTW the exchanges from both fighters were very sloppy. So now that Rashad has one KO with his hands he is a counter puncher. His last fight he didn't show much counter punching and his fight before that he didn't show much. So I guess he became one over night. What Rashad is in most of his fights is tentative and unwilling to engage on the feet. You cant even compare Rashad to Machida. Machida is a true counter striker and has much better striking than Rashad.
Rashad vs Bisping
The only reason Rashad won this fight was because the Judges put to much in to take downs. Bisping was more active on his back in this fight than Rashad was on top. Bisping out struck Rashad on the feet all 3 rounds.
Rashad vs Ortiz
Ortiz's boxing is nothing to write home about but yet he was winning the stand up and ground game. The only reason it was a draw was Ortiz's inability to stop grabbing the fence.
Now I will give Rashad his credit he did good last night but lets see how he does in his next fight before we start talking about how great his stand up game is.
Last edited 9/8/08 5:01AM by telnights
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Post #46 9/8/08 12:38:32AM
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How do you like me so far?
Career record: 128-68
Season: 50-19 (#243)
Location: Land O' Lakes
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If Rashad fights Forrest, he will need a good gameplan. Forrest's discipline is too good. If Rashad wants to dance around, Forrest will let him. Forrest will not get anxious and overextend himself. He will do what he does now, fight smart. I believe Forrest will win the exchanges on the feet with his reach, and his in and out combos he used against Rampage. And if it does go to the ground, Forrest has the definite advantage. He is very active in the guard and, His BJJ is evolving very rapidly. He nearly subbed Rampage. And I dont see Evans threatening Forrest with a slam like Rampage did.
Evans had a nice KO of Chuck but.....I don't see him beating Forrest, Rampage, Machida, or Wanderlei.
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Post #47 9/8/08 11:19:46AM
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DaBeatdown
Learning to Sprawl
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Season: 43-27 (#676)
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Posted by gsquat
EASY win for Rashad. EASY. So frickin' easy! Easy! Easy! Oh man. Easy! I'll be right about Rashad again in saying he'll be the champ by the end of 08. Aw. It'll feel so good to be right about Rashad again.
Get over yourself, you and loud mouth dancing Rashad are perfect for each other
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Post #48 9/8/08 1:33:13PM
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Posted by DaBeatdown
Posted by gsquat
EASY win for Rashad. EASY. So frickin' easy! Easy! Easy! Oh man. Easy! I'll be right about Rashad again in saying he'll be the champ by the end of 08. Aw. It'll feel so good to be right about Rashad again.
Get over yourself, you and loud mouth dancing Rashad are perfect for each other
You weren't saying ANYTHING for the weeks/months leading up to the event about Chuck's nuthuggers not giving Rashad a chance AT ALL. He has EVERY right to say what he said. Everyone kept telling him he was crazy and that Rashad didn't stand a chance for MONTHS.
YOU get over YOURSELF and admit you were wrong about picking Chuck. Rashad being a "loudmouth" has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
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Post #49 9/8/08 1:42:53PM
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MaxOne
MMA Regular
Career record: 121-92
Season: 24-29 (#4780)
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Posted by hodge
So predictions for Forrest Vs. Rashad? With Forrest being succeptable to KOs I had to favour Rashad now.
Are you crazy did you see the shots Forrest took off Rampage how can you justfy Forrest being succeptable to KOs
because of the Jardine fight i'm assuming....
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Post #50 9/8/08 1:43:44PM
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MaxOne
MMA Regular
Career record: 121-92
Season: 24-29 (#4780)
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Posted by telnights
Posted by EliasG
I swear some of you guys need to go to the gym and study up a little bit on your "fighting."
You do know a lot of us on here have back grounds in MMA. Training in Boxing, wresting, BJJ, and many other forums on combat arts. BTW the exchanges from both fighters were very sloppy. So now that Rashad has one KO with his hands he is a counter puncher. His last fight he didn't show much counter punching and his fight before that he didn't show much. So I guess he became one over night. What Rashad is in most of his fights is tentative and unwilling to engage on the feet. You cant even compare Rashad to Machida. Machida is a true counter striker and has much better striking than Rashad.
Rashad vs Bisping
The only reason Rashad won this fight was because the Judges put to much in to take downs. Bisping was more active on his back in this fight than Rashad was on top. Bisping out struck Rashad on the feet all 3 rounds.
Rashad vs Ortiz
Ortiz's boxing is nothing to write home about but yet he was winning the stand up and ground game. The only reason it was a draw was Ortiz's inability to stop grabbing the fence.
Now I will give Rashad his credit he did good last night but lets see how he does in his next fight before we start talking about how great his stand up game is.
You and I must have got different versions of the fight(s)
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Post #51 9/8/08 2:15:56PM
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motorboatensob
MMA Regular
Career record: 203-129
Season: 47-23 (#691)
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Sure a match between Rashad and Lyoto would be great one can stay on one side of the cage and the other one on the other side and they can move in and out almost coming close to each other. Don't get me wrong the knock out was one of the best ever but dancing around for a round and a half and throwing one punch want get you to many true mma fans
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Post #52 9/8/08 2:48:14PM
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scpd400
MMA Regular
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Season: 43-27 (#1393)
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Rashad does not deserve a title shot yet. He knocked out Chuck big deal. Chuck had won, one in three fights before that night. Sure I wanted Chuck to stop nipple twisting Rashad, oh well Machida should be next on Rashad's plate not griffin.
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Post #53 9/8/08 3:00:49PM
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Keeping the pimp hand strong
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Posted by MaxOne
You and I must have got different versions of the fight(s)
You should go back and watch them then.
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Post #54 9/8/08 4:56:34PM
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tooly236
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I respect all fighters, but Rashad rubs me the wrong way. I can not believe they are giving him a title shot and I am going to guess they will find a way to cancel it. He is a idiot and is bad for the sport, he is not even a good heal. I am not the only one to think this, his draw is terrible. The dancing, nipple grabbing, and disrespect of proven fighters is annoying as hell. To be honest, I hope he eats rat poison by accident and dies a slow painfull death.
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Post #55 9/8/08 7:36:50PM
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EliasG
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I think Machida deserves the next title shot IMO. He's one of my favorite fighters at LHW. However, not giving Rashad his due is terrible.
Since you are telling guys to go back and watch the fights again, feel free to on mmalinker.com and then tell me he didn't use different tactics for different fighters.
He WON all those fights. You DO get points for takedowns just like you get points for cutting off the cage and ring generalmanship. You get points for effective aggression and power shots. You get points for actually hitting your opponent---which Chuck was not doing and several of Rashad's opponents have had trouble doing.
He's tentative for a reason. He doesn't like getting hit. That's also a hallmark of counterpunchers-they tend to be defensive. Nothing wrong with that. If you are quick enough you step in and out, give angles, etc... there are a few really good defensive fighters who slip punches and stand in the pocket but none of htem are in MMA---James Toney, etc.. are all in boxing.
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Post #56 9/8/08 7:43:22PM
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How do you like me so far?
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Posted by tooly236
I respect all fighters, but Rashad rubs me the wrong way. I can not believe they are giving him a title shot and I am going to guess they will find a way to cancel it. He is a idiot and is bad for the sport, he is not even a good heal. I am not the only one to think this, his draw is terrible. The dancing, nipple grabbing, and disrespect of proven fighters is annoying as hell. To be honest, I hope he eats rat poison by accident and dies a slow painfull death.
EON....Is that you?
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Post #57 9/8/08 7:45:29PM
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Posted by tooly236
nipple grabbing.
tbh, that is the only reason he won 
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Post #58 9/8/08 7:50:09PM
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Keeping the pimp hand strong
Career record: 181-78
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Posted by EliasG
I think Machida deserves the next title shot IMO. He's one of my favorite fighters at LHW. However, not giving Rashad his due is terrible.
Since you are telling guys to go back and watch the fights again, feel free to on mmalinker.com and then tell me he didn't use different tactics for different fighters.
He WON all those fights. You DO get points for takedowns just like you get points for cutting off the cage and ring generalmanship. You get points for effective aggression and power shots. You get points for actually hitting your opponent---which Chuck was not doing and several of Rashad's opponents have had trouble doing.
He's tentative for a reason. He doesn't like getting hit. That's also a hallmark of counterpunchers-they tend to be defensive. Nothing wrong with that. If you are quick enough you step in and out, give angles, etc... there are a few really good defensive fighters who slip punches and stand in the pocket but none of htem are in MMA---James Toney, etc.. are all in boxing.
I agree I think Machida deserves the next title shot. I gave Rashad his due he did well in his fight with Liddell but he didn't show me a huge improvement in his stand up. He lost the first round and in the exchanges we see in the 2nd him and Liddell both looked sloppy. Granted Liddell almost always looks sloppy and I never thought of him as having great stand up. But Rashad hasn't ever shown me top level counter striking. In the exchanges him and Liddell were making it very clear one of them was going to get KOed it was a matter of who landed first. That isn't counter striking that is brawling.
I never said he doesn't use different tactics. Different tactics does not = he is a good striker or counter striker. Just means he comes in to fights with a game plan.
I know how the scoring system works doesn't mean I have to agree with it. If you take someone down and lay in their guard it should not = points that's not to say it doesn't but it shouldnt. For many reason....Just a 2 off the top of my head.
1. Most submission guys prefer to be on their backs that's where they can work a lot of their subs from.
2. You not trying to win just stall and avoid the stand up.
The problem with this is in the US most Judges don't score submission attempts. So why score take downs. If your going to score one then you should score the other.
In a few of Rashad's fights he spent a lot of his time in people guard with out really working to gain ground or position. Just to name a few
In the Bisping fight Bisping was more active on his back than Rashad was on top also Bisping was winning the stand up.
In the Bonnar fight Bonnar was way more active on the ground than Rashad was. Bonnar was going for submission after submission.
In the Hoger fight same thing Hoger was more active on his back than Rashad was on top.
So just because you can take a guy down doesn't mean your the better fighter. Now granted he won all these fights I don't think he won the Bisping and I felt he also lost the Hoger fight as well. But only one of the judges agreed with me. Now granted with the scoring system the way it is these where all close fights but if these fights would have been in say Pride he most likely would have lost them. In fact under Pride rules I think he would have been yellow carded. I don't agree with the Yellow card either. I think the way to fix the issue is to start allowing knees to the head of a downed fighter and score submission attempts.
Tentative and counter punching aren't even close to the same thing. Rashad has avoided striking in almost most all of his MMA fights. Counter punchers aren't avoiding engagements they just avoid the punch and counter with their own. They also work the angles just like you said. Rashad hasn't ever really done this he just doesn't engage and avoids the stand up all together in most of his fights.
But I will say again he won his fight and didn't look bad doing it but I'm not going to jump on the band wagon just yet and start saying he is a counter puncher or that he has great stand up because he hasn't really shown either yet. If he comes out his next fight and shows some good counter striking and shows me the level of stand up that some are now claiming he has I will be the first to say that he is a counter puncher. But one knockout and a bunch of LnP wins doesnt = great striker or counter striker. That would be like me calling Randleman a great striker or counter striker after he KOed Cro Cop.
Last edited 9/9/08 4:06AM by telnights
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Post #59 9/9/08 3:58:32AM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
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I'm sorry but I still just have not been impressed with a single one of Rashad's performances. He's not a bad fighter, but I haven't seen him put on a really impressive performance, truthfully.
I'm picking (and hoping for) Forrest to win this fight. The only thing I see Rashad being better at than Forrest is takedowns and I think that Rashad's best chance in this fight is to keep it standing, if he gets into Forrest's guard I think he'll be trying to escape a triangle pretty quickly. I also think Forrest is going to have the superior gameplan when it comes time to fight. I see Forrest being very patient and working a lot of leg kicks while using his reach to out-point him.
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