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shogun7
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or just thinking down the line in the future and realizing a great star when i see one. This will all make sense to you when he is champ bub
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Post #31 9/3/08 5:20:12PM
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breakdown5
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Let me first say that I am no Lesnar nuthugger. I'll be rooting for Randy for sure, but...
I think that Lesnar is too big, athletic, fast, etc. for Randy. Lesnar will be the aggressor and will look to put Randy on his back and pound him with right hands, just like the Herring fight.
Randy has good head movement and pretty good boxing, his striking is technically better than Lesnar. But I don't think that he will be able to clinch with Lesnar without getting rag dolled, so he will probably shutdown Randy's dirty boxing style.
Randy has skills and more heart than ten fighters combined, but I see Lesnar riding him like a pony for five rounds, all the while punching him in that cauliflower ear of his.
It will be a sad day for sure.
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Post #32 9/3/08 10:47:37PM
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Pitbull09
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Posted by breakdown5
Let me first say that I am no Lesnar nuthugger. I'll be rooting for Randy for sure, but...
I think that Lesnar is too big, athletic, fast, etc. for Randy. Lesnar will be the aggressor and will look to put Randy on his back and pound him with right hands, just like the Herring fight.
Randy has good head movement and pretty good boxing, his striking is technically better than Lesnar. But I don't think that he will be able to clinch with Lesnar without getting rag dolled, so he will probably shutdown Randy's dirty boxing style.
Randy has skills and more heart than ten fighters combined, but I see Lesnar riding him like a pony for five rounds, all the while punching him in that cauliflower ear of his.
It will be a sad day for sure.
I can agree somewhat with this.
Coutures gameplans prob is best to stay up and do the same with Sylvia/ Gonzaga minus the clinching. He need to keeps distance, avoid any hit from Lesnar to his head and win five rounds.
Maybe he has something different planned like pulling of a Mir kneebar but his options get very limited with a guy this much bigger than him.
Couture got rocked by Gonzaga's right hand in his fight so getting Ko'ed is a possibility.
I am rooting for Couture but this match up is so much against in many aspects. Lesnar is the mold of what a HW division will be in 10 years (excpet with good BJJ) and hopefully there will be a 230ish division for fighters like Couture, Big Nog, and Vera but for now its this fight.
I am still undecided but leaning to Lesnar and not seeing anything changing that. Couture has proven enough times though he can shock the world
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Post #33 9/4/08 12:01:33AM
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Pyrenus
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Couture by Anaconda choke in the 2nd.
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Post #34 9/4/08 3:36:15PM
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dickrocketjones
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I'm not a Lesnar hater. The guy is a friggin' freak of nature. I don't think he is experienced enough to beat Couture. Being as gifted as he is of course he has a chance to win. That is the nature of MMA. Ask gsp. I think Couture is too savvy to let that happen. Lesnar gets on a single track and is unable to deviate from it. For instance against Herring he got so focused on pinning and hitting him that he failed to capitalize on the mount a few times and when he had his back. Did not see the opportunity, or did and did'nt know how to press the advantage. Could have had a spectacular win (submission or ko). Instead he just looked like a brute. In time I think he will be someone to be truly feared, but not yet. However, the heavy weight division is so weak that he is as deserving as anyone else. The Nog/Mir fight was already scheduled. Who does that leave really?
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Post #35 9/5/08 2:08:39AM
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cdnpride1
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Fedor will eat the UFC HW Division for breakfast, and as for randy choking out lesnar good luck with that. 
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Post #36 9/5/08 11:17:58AM
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k2k
Learning to Sprawl
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So here it is...
Lesnar is scary for sure, we saw that versus Frank and Heath. I think more of what happened against Frank could happen against Couture, he's still a little sloppy and he could get easily caught.
Man Heath Herring looked in the best shape I had seen him so far, but took a little beating before getting layed on for the rest of the time, Brock has ZERO Jits still.
You can not count out Randy's heart ever!
Versus Kongo first, could be interesting depening on which Kongo showed up - but then again does anyone care?
Against the Big Korean guy (name escapes at the moment), now that might be something to see - World's Collide!
Bottom line is no matter what I see until Fedor is in the UFC even matters, Fedor would serve Lesnar up a quick lesson on being a true machine.
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Post #37 9/5/08 10:18:45PM
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slapshot
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I have no worries about stating Couture will absolutely win this fight for more reasons than I care to list but here are a few.
First we have experience, now I don’t know if Randy's plethora of experience will effect the fight more or less than Brock's LACK of any experience but combined this adds up poorly for Brock.
Basically, in the stand up it comes down to a Brock’s haymakers against Randy’s dirty boxing. I question weather Brock has the skill/timing in striking to hit Randy with anything Dangerous at all and we all know standing inside and slugging it out with Randy would be suicide for Brock who is less accurate and much slower as far as striking goes( Never mind that Randy in the clinch would control the fight) so the only other option is to go to the ground with Randy Couture.
On the ground there are a few fights Ive seen in Randy’s career he lost and he lost them by being out muscled and outworked due to stamina but that’s far in the past and randy really did fix that chink in the armor and my feeling is that even though Brock is stronger and has good cardio, Randy dose fine fighting stronger fighters now and I would even give the cardio edge to couture, in Brocks last fight he gassed enough for it to stop him from putting away Herring and if he dose that (gas’s out) with Couture Randy will pound his face to a puddle in the later rounds, if we see Brock get on top of Randy we will shortly after see Randy get out and back up if not just some kind of reverse.
Don’t be fooled Randy wants to take this fight to the ground! As many people will say he will want to keep it standing but lets not forget Randy is a world class Greco Roman wrestler and it’s a sure bet he will attempt to take down Brock if he gets the opportunity and nothing I’ve seen tells me Brock can defend against Randy’s takedowns witch equal points that win rounds, I ‘m sure he can power out of a bad position after a takedown but the points game is something he will have to think about if he wants to win.
Now in my mind the BIG question is “can Randy defend against Brock Lesnar’s take downs?”
And my answer is……. For the most part yes, yes he can and should be able to. I do have to say he wont be able to stuff them all and I think he will have to weather some G&P but Brock is so sloppy on the ground with his strikes that Randy should be able to defend well enough to exploit his experience and get Brock out of a dominant position.
I really feel this is Couture’s fight to win or lose and with a Fedor clause/fight in his contract Randy wants to win and win fast to gain Fedor’s attention.
Brock has a few opportunity’s here and by no means is this fight a “give me” Randy will have to go all in to win but when have we seen randy not walk in the cage and give it his all?
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Post #38 9/6/08 1:58:45AM
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george112
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Posted by slapshot
I have no worries about stating Couture will absolutely win this fight for more reasons than I care to list but here are a few.
First we have experience, now I don’t know if Randy's plethora of experience will effect the fight more or less than Brock's LACK of any experience but combined this adds up poorly for Brock.
Basically, in the stand up it comes down to a Brock’s haymakers against Randy’s dirty boxing. I question weather Brock has the skill/timing in striking to hit Randy with anything Dangerous at all and we all know standing inside and slugging it out with Randy would be suicide for Brock who is less accurate and much slower as far as striking goes( Never mind that Randy in the clinch would control the fight) so the only other option is to go to the ground with Randy Couture.
On the ground there are a few fights Ive seen in Randy’s career he lost and he lost them by being out muscled and outworked due to stamina but that’s far in the past and randy really did fix that chink in the armor and my feeling is that even though Brock is stronger and has good cardio, Randy dose fine fighting stronger fighters now and I would even give the cardio edge to couture, in Brocks last fight he gassed enough for it to stop him from putting away Herring and if he dose that (gas’s out) with Couture Randy will pound his face to a puddle in the later rounds, if we see Brock get on top of Randy we will shortly after see Randy get out and back up if not just some kind of reverse.
Don’t be fooled Randy wants to take this fight to the ground! As many people will say he will want to keep it standing but lets not forget Randy is a world class Greco Roman wrestler and it’s a sure bet he will attempt to take down Brock if he gets the opportunity and nothing I’ve seen tells me Brock can defend against Randy’s takedowns witch equal points that win rounds, I ‘m sure he can power out of a bad position after a takedown but the points game is something he will have to think about if he wants to win.
Now in my mind the BIG question is “can Randy defend against Brock Lesnar’s take downs?”
And my answer is……. For the most part yes, yes he can and should be able to. I do have to say he wont be able to stuff them all and I think he will have to weather some G&P but Brock is so sloppy on the ground with his strikes that Randy should be able to defend well enough to exploit his experience and get Brock out of a dominant position.
I really feel this is Couture’s fight to win or lose and with a Fedor clause/fight in his contract Randy wants to win and win fast to gain Fedor’s attention.
Brock has a few opportunity’s here and by no means is this fight a “give me” Randy will have to go all in to win but when have we seen randy not walk in the cage and give it his all?
No.your wrong.i dont agree with you.
Brock did not gas in his last fight.believe it or not couture isnt the only one with the strategies.brock smothered herring the whole fight for a reason.brock showed patience and controlled herrin for the entire fight.
Couture WILL NOT stop a lesnar take down.so to say that he will be able to is hogwash.couture isnt any where near his hayday anymore.the only thing hes been doin the past year.is makin a movie that imo wasnt really that good.and getting OLDER.randy is just to weak and slow to compare with lesnars abilities and athleticism.
Also it would be a BIG MISTAKE for couture to take lesnar down.for the simple fact that lesnar is a superior wrestler who would have no trouble at all sweeping or reversing couture using his freakish strength.thus resulting in lesnar havin top postion and controlling couture for 5 rounds.
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Post #39 9/6/08 3:06:32PM
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mach
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This fight is retarded and frankly I'm kind of insulted that it's happening at all let alone for a ******* title shot
Randy wins via sub, we all lose via brock lesnar fight
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Post #40 9/7/08 10:13:37AM
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JBatch
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First off good work fella's this has been a great topic with valid points being brought out for both sides. Here is my take.
1) Brock has not really "earned" his title shot but I didn't think Mir did either so c'est la vie.
2) This is going to smash, no, obliterate the old PPV record.
3) I don't think Dana is "punishing" Randy I think he is making a business move and a great one. And it just so happens that his business move will probably end the way he wants with Randy unconcious and Brock his HW champ.
Prediction for the fight is that Brock physically dominates Randy and when he huge gorilla paws start smashing Randy he goes out. I think Brock wins by TKO or KO by mid first round.
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Post #41 9/9/08 2:28:06PM
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HLONWLS
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Very hard to know where to be on this one. On one hand I think this ruins the legitimacy of the UFC. You got Nogera as the interim because Randy has locked horns with the boss. Lesnar has ZERO time in the cage and the UFC, but he is a name. I wonder how Nogera feels about not being able to defend his title against best fighters. After all it is his title by vacancy. How do all the other heavyweights that have + 15 or more fights on their record feel about Lesnar cutting in line? I think it is a bunch of BS.
Now for the other hand. Dana White is playing this to the bone. Will he make millions? YES. Will I be watching it? YES. Does Dana have very little downside by doing it this way? YES. However, I still stand by the first hand and say it is a black eye on the sport because this is a WWF style move. It makes money not sense, it should only be the best fighters not the most popular.
Later
HLONWLS
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Post #42 9/10/08 3:43:25PM
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slapshot
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Posted by mach
This fight is retarded and frankly I'm kind of insulted that it's happening at all let alone for a ******* title shot
Randy wins via sub, we all lose via brock lesnar fight
Randy really is not very likely to even try a sub, its one of the things he rarely goes for.
As far as Nogera, he really is the champ IMO and I would be very mad if were him.
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Post #43 9/10/08 10:50:57PM
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mkiv9secsupra
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The way to beat Lesnar is to keep the fight at a distance and strike and prevent the takedowns or completely outclass him with a submission game of your back.....neither of which Randy is too great at.
Randy really should have retired rather than resign.....just like Hughes, Great wrestling with decent subs and striking doesnt cut it anymore. Thankfully he stayed in the UFC or he would have been mauled by Arlovski, Fedor, and Barnett
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Post #44 9/11/08 12:30:02PM
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XxChuteBoxexX
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I think we should all forget about randy because even if he beats brock there is no way he will get past fedor so get over it
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Post #45 9/11/08 1:28:04PM
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