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Yes, Brock's chin hasn't been tested because he won't allow it. He's such a phenomenal striker with great footwork that no striker stands a chance. 
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Post #16 9/3/08 8:20:07AM
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jomatty
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the sad part is the very likely imo possibility of randy getting beat and taking all the steam out of a fedor randy fight. if it happens while randy is at the top of the ufc, whether active in the organization or not, then it is a huge fight. its still huge with him having lost to lesnar but not nearly as big. at that point fedor has just beat someone he is supposed to beat. ill be rooting for randy as hard as ive ever rooted for anyone when he squares off with lesnar but i think he is gonna need more than positive thoughts to pull this off. here is hoping that the master of gameplans has an ace up his sleave...
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Post #17 9/3/08 8:57:49AM
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Laying down the beats
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Posted by handstrong
How many people gave Couture a chance with Silvia? I'd say somewhere around 20% or so. Even Gonzaga was favored over Couture. ??? He had a significant size advantage, and everyone thought he would manhandle Randy. Lesnar might knock out Randy, but I don't think he will get flung around like a rag doll, like most people think. He's way too crafty in the clinch. Lesnar couldn't even finish Herring and Couture is way more saavy and much smarter of a fighter than Herring. We haven't even seen Brock get hit yet. And what Lesnar's submission defense? Don't count out the Natural. Lesnar is BIG and STRONG, but Couture is a fighting mastermind who knows how to cut down giants. I'm going with David over Goliath even at 45 yrs old.
I picked that fight Randy for the decision. Randy is not a submission guy. He has said this himself.
by saying Lesnar couldn't finish Herring isn't saying much. Nog couldn't finish Heath twice and Heath even went 10 min against Fedor, before it was stopped because of a cut. The only reason that fight kept going was because Lesnar took his time and good reffing and the fact that Heath is still pretty tough. I can't say whether Lesnar took his time because of inexperience or he wanted to prove something or what.
I think the main thing is that it boils down to the fact that Lesnar's strength (wrestling) is also Randy's main weapon and that Lesnar is a bigger stronger and faster fighter.... and younger.
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Post #18 9/3/08 9:09:16AM
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cmb19932
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lesnar by ko round three hes young fast and hungry randys leavin any way why does he care
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Post #19 9/3/08 9:56:27AM
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shogun7
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I said that lesnar was going to be heavyweight champion months ago and said that lesnar was better than couture. I then got laughed at and was called a nuthugger by several people. Wow how dumb u all look right now. Lesnar is going to beat the shit out of couture wait and see. I guess nuthugging can be referred to on this site as knowing what the hell your talking about.
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Post #20 9/3/08 10:15:00AM
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Bumpy
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Randy tko by the 2nd. Brock might be big but he dont have the experience that Randy has, Brock was a amamateur wrestler and has had 3 mma fights with a 2-1 record. Im not sayin he dont have a chance but was does he bring that says he will kill Randy as fast as every one thinks he will?
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Post #21 9/3/08 11:32:31AM
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BIGKAT
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Posted by Jackelope
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
i'll just paste my view point into this thread if you don't mind rush
i am very curious with all of the hate. i mean, i understand where a lot of you are coming from: Brock is only 1-1 in the UFC; he is too inexperienced for a title shot; Randy should be fighting Nog for the title right off the bat; Brock is disrespectful to the sport and it sickens me to see him get rewarded with a title shot. i get all the arguments and they are all valid ones.
the only thing is, i happen to have no problem with Brock fighting for the title. i justify it like this: who do you feel has a better shot at defeating Randy? Werdum? i don't think so. he has very solid JJ but has awful wrestling and his heart is weak. Randy would wipe the mat with him. Cain? he is just as inexperienced as Brock is and he hasn't defeated anyone more notable than HH, not to mention he does not match up well against Randy. so who does that leave now? Kongo? nah, he just lost to HH and he is coming off of a win over a nobody. HH, Gonzaga and Vera are both coming off of losses, and the rest of the UFC HWs are nowhere near the top 10. Mir and Nog are both locked up with TUF and no matter how much we detest the TUF process of taking notable fighters away from fighting we have to deal with it.
whether you like it or not, Brock has the best chance to beat Randy. i believe the title picture should always be the Champion vs the fighter who has the best chance to beat him. i know a lot of you guys feel you have to earn your shot, but the whole point of earning the shot is to prove that you are the best man to defeat the champion, and Lesnar seems to have done that in just 2 fights. so, if you really think about it, Brock is the perfect guy for the title fight because e is the only one left who makes you actually stop and think about who you are going to pick to win the fight.
Now, proceed to pick apart my argument and rationalize your point of view
You know my opinion on Brock, but I'll oblige you-
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the whole point of earning the shot is to prove that you are the best man to defeat the champion, and Lesnar seems to have done that in just 2 fights
Has he? I mean honestly what has he proven that we didn't already know? To me the only thing he's proven that I questioned was whether or not he had cardio.
What did we know going into this whole Brock Lesnar thing-
He's super strong
He's got a great wrestling base
He's fast for his size
What questions did we have?
Does he have cardio? (Answered- yes)
Does he have a chin?
Does he have submission defense?
Can he strike?
Honestly I don't really see how he's progressed enough as a fighter by beating an on again off again competitor in Heath Herring. He has only positively answered one question so far and that is the cardio question.
I'd just caution anyone from jumping on the bandwagon yet. The man has not been tested, and IMO hasn't proved his worthiness any more or less than the rest of the UFC's HW roster. The simple fact is that he's getting this shot against Randy for the PPV draw. It's all about the $$$ and arguably in a small sense it's about his "potential" which is all it is at this point.
People are going to say he can strike because of the punches on Mir and Herring. All I can say is that Mir and Herring aren't exactly known for their striking. Herring, like an idiot, fell for an easy trick that he should have known was coming. Same way Randleman caught Crocop. I'm just not buying him yet
PROPS TO YOU! For making sense.
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Post #22 9/3/08 12:02:12PM
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State_Champ
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This fight has so much controversy surrounding it that to me it just seems like another great piece of evidence to add to the argument for a official UFC rankings system.
also, randy is gonna tool lesnar hardcore!
WAR randy!!!!
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Post #23 9/3/08 12:06:18PM
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cowcatcher
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Posted by shogun7
I said that lesnar was going to be heavyweight champion months ago and said that lesnar was better than couture. I then got laughed at and was called a nuthugger by several people. Wow how dumb u all look right now. Lesnar is going to beat the shit out of couture wait and see. I guess nuthugging can be referred to on this site as knowing what the hell your talking about.
um id slow down a little here bud, lesnar hasnt beaten randy yet, and everyone on here, and in fact the whole world has made predictions that were right, and wrong so why toot your horn when NOTHING HAS EVEN HAPPENED YET?
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Post #24 9/3/08 1:09:43PM
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mkiv9secsupra
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Posted by shogun7
I said that lesnar was going to be heavyweight champion months ago and said that lesnar was better than couture. I then got laughed at and was called a nuthugger by several people. Wow how dumb u all look right now. Lesnar is going to beat the shit out of couture wait and see. I guess nuthugging can be referred to on this site as knowing what the hell your talking about.
and were still laughing because even a week ago there was no way in hell you could have known Lesnar would be put in this situation, not because he is the best in the UFC, just simply because Nogueira and Mir were already scheduled. Now how dumb you look going on a tirade thinking you know what youre talking about yet just proving you are a jackass
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Post #25 9/3/08 1:20:50PM
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Posted by Jackelope
Has he? I mean honestly what has he proven that we didn't already know? To me the only thing he's proven that I questioned was whether or not he had cardio.
What did we know going into this whole Brock Lesnar thing-
He's super strong
He's got a great wrestling base
He's fast for his size
What questions did we have?
Does he have cardio? (Answered- yes)
Does he have a chin?
Does he have submission defense?
Can he strike?
Honestly I don't really see how he's progressed enough as a fighter by beating an on again off again competitor in Heath Herring. He has only positively answered one question so far and that is the cardio question.
I'd just caution anyone from jumping on the bandwagon yet. The man has not been tested, and IMO hasn't proved his worthiness any more or less than the rest of the UFC's HW roster. The simple fact is that he's getting this shot against Randy for the PPV draw. It's all about the $$$ and arguably in a small sense it's about his "potential" which is all it is at this point.
People are going to say he can strike because of the punches on Mir and Herring. All I can say is that Mir and Herring aren't exactly known for their striking. Herring, like an idiot, fell for an easy trick that he should have known was coming. Same way Randleman caught Crocop. I'm just not buying him yet
we know that he is a force to be reckoned with at HW. i think he has shown that he has the tools right now to give Randy the biggest threat. yes, there are still variables, but randy won't really test his submission defense and the striking variable will be answered. i can tell you right now though, that i think Brock has better stand-up then both Werdum and GG. in all o fhis fights he has dropped his opponent. now, i personally don't like Brock, but i do have to say that he is the best choice for challenger because Werdum matches up horribly with Randy and the rest of the UFC HW division won't have a decent shot at beating Randy. ask yourself this question, is there another HW that has a better chance of beating Randy? to me the answer is no, and because of that i think his shot at the title is justified.
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Post #26 9/3/08 2:14:33PM
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cowcatcher
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all this werdum talk has me wondering if anyone remembers that hes scheduled to fight junior dos santos already. granted, the ufc has canned matches to make better matchups before, but
1)werdum hasnt been stellar in the ufc so far
2)brock has looked far more impressive than fabricio in the ufc so far, like him or not
3)werdum is in no way the draw lesnar is, no ifs ands or buts about it
so to me werdum was never really an option in the first place, or at least not one that the ufc wanted to throw in there for the legends big return.
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Post #27 9/3/08 2:29:43PM
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emfleek
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The thought of a Werdum/Couture matchup makes me yawn uncontrollably.
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Post #28 9/3/08 2:33:38PM
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Posted by cowcatcher
all this werdum talk has me wondering if anyone remembers that hes scheduled to fight junior dos santos already. granted, the ufc has canned matches to make better matchups before, but
1)werdum hasnt been stellar in the ufc so far
2)brock has looked far more impressive than fabricio in the ufc so far, like him or not
3)werdum is in no way the draw lesnar is, no ifs ands or buts about it
so to me werdum was never really an option in the first place, or at least not one that the ufc wanted to throw in there for the legends big return.
that is exactly what i am talking about
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Post #29 9/3/08 2:59:34PM
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loller90278
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by cowcatcher
all this werdum talk has me wondering if anyone remembers that hes scheduled to fight junior dos santos already. granted, the ufc has canned matches to make better matchups before, but
1)werdum hasnt been stellar in the ufc so far
2)brock has looked far more impressive than fabricio in the ufc so far, like him or not
3)werdum is in no way the draw lesnar is, no ifs ands or buts about it
so to me werdum was never really an option in the first place, or at least not one that the ufc wanted to throw in there for the legends big return.
that is exactly what i am talking about
i disagree, werdum has climbed the ranks and has earned to be the top contender. he took out gonzaga and vera, both in dominating fashion. i say dana pairs up lesner vs werdum to get a crack at the winner of minotauro/mir
and have randy wait it out to fight the interim champ. i dont see the point in rushing couture to fight (granted his age, but he was willing to wait against fedor)
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