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Laying down the beats
Career record: 192-150
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Ok, I just deleted a bunch of threads on Randy, Lesnar and Fedor. Nothing personal, but I said I would. There were about 8 on the first page only.
Please keep everything on one thread to have an optimum discussion.
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Last edited 9/3/08 9:12AM by Rush
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Post #1 9/2/08 8:53:45PM
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GREENMAN!!!!
Career record: 134-73
Season: 50-20 (#178)
Location: selden, new york
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i'll just paste my view point into this thread if you don't mind rush
i am very curious with all of the hate. i mean, i understand where a lot of you are coming from: Brock is only 1-1 in the UFC; he is too inexperienced for a title shot; Randy should be fighting Nog for the title right off the bat; Brock is disrespectful to the sport and it sickens me to see him get rewarded with a title shot. i get all the arguments and they are all valid ones.
the only thing is, i happen to have no problem with Brock fighting for the title. i justify it like this: who do you feel has a better shot at defeating Randy? Werdum? i don't think so. he has very solid JJ but has awful wrestling and his heart is weak. Randy would wipe the mat with him. Cain? he is just as inexperienced as Brock is and he hasn't defeated anyone more notable than HH, not to mention he does not match up well against Randy. so who does that leave now? Kongo? nah, he just lost to HH and he is coming off of a win over a nobody. HH, Gonzaga and Vera are both coming off of losses, and the rest of the UFC HWs are nowhere near the top 10. Mir and Nog are both locked up with TUF and no matter how much we detest the TUF process of taking notable fighters away from fighting we have to deal with it.
whether you like it or not, Brock has the best chance to beat Randy. i believe the title picture should always be the Champion vs the fighter who has the best chance to beat him. i know a lot of you guys feel you have to earn your shot, but the whole point of earning the shot is to prove that you are the best man to defeat the champion, and Lesnar seems to have done that in just 2 fights. so, if you really think about it, Brock is the perfect guy for the title fight because e is the only one left who makes you actually stop and think about who you are going to pick to win the fight.
Now, proceed to pick apart my argument and rationalize your point of view
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Post #2 9/2/08 8:59:41PM
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Laying down the beats
Career record: 192-150
Season: 37-33 (#1810)
Location: Canada
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no worries. If anyone had a key post in a thread I deleted, and don't want to re-type it, send me a PM and I'll get it for you. Most of them were short anyways
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Post #3 9/2/08 9:13:51PM
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Khaos
In Full Mount
Career record: 152-97
Season: 43-27 (#1674)
Location: Pittsburgh,PA
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I think Lesnar is gonna make Couture his bitch for 5 straight rounds, not unlike he did to the talented, yet one who got dominated, Heath Herring for 3 rounds.
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Post #4 9/2/08 9:18:57PM
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Poohbah
MMA Regular
Career record: 149-87
Season: 43-27 (#2554)
Location: Madison WI
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A few observations:
1. This will be a huge PPV.
2. Obviously Randy had to cave because UFC had him lock, stock, and barrel. Lesson learned, don''t break a contract.
3. Don't hate Brock Lesnar (AKA Cock Chestnar) because he got a title fight. What was he supposed to do, turn it down?
4. This has fans going ape-sh!t. Well played, Dana.
5. I predict Brock via 2nd round caveman clubbing. Who knows though, really.
6. This is a mismatch. Brock is way too big and strong. And Randy is way too experienced. Crazy!
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Post #5 9/2/08 9:19:21PM
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Twenty20Dollars
MMA Sensei
Career record: 168-91
Season: 47-23 (#640)
Location: KC,MO
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I think brock will beat lesnar but I also think that might be pushing brock too fast, because he can fall off just as fast. Werdum vs Couture would make more logical sense that would be a closer to fight IMO. From the business side of the couture vs lesnar fight, its f*cking huge and I think that is the main reason behind that or maybe dana wants to punish couture for trying to leave by putting him against the monster of lesnar.
Heres how I think it goes, Lesnar beats couture tko rnd 2, big nog beats mir and then you have big nog vs lesnar which idk who i would pick. As much as I would like to see lesnar vs mir 2, dont think mir will beat big nog but who knows.
One positive thing about lesnar vs couture is now lesnar wont fight Kongo(but now has an injury I think).
Brock could most likely be the "next big thing" for the UFC HW division while it is rebuilding.
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Post #6 9/2/08 9:25:52PM
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FORREST > RASHARD
Career record: 156-97
Season: 44-26 (#868)
Location: South Australia
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I think brock will beat lesnar too! 
Sorry! Had to do it!
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Post #7 9/2/08 9:33:56PM
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tsabes
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 18-12
Season: 18-12 (#5455)
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
I think brock will beat lesnar but I also think that might be pushing brock too fast, because he can fall off just as fast. Werdum vs Couture would make more logical sense that would be a closer to fight IMO. From the business side of the couture vs lesnar fight, its f*cking huge and I think that is the main reason behind that or maybe dana wants to punish couture for trying to leave by putting him against the monster of lesnar.
Heres how I think it goes, Lesnar beats couture tko rnd 2, big nog beats mir and then you have big nog vs lesnar which idk who i would pick. As much as I would like to see lesnar vs mir 2, dont think mir will beat big nog but who knows.
One positive thing about lesnar vs couture is now lesnar wont fight Kongo(but now has an injury I think).
Brock could most likely be the "next big thing" for the UFC HW division while it is rebuilding.
"I think that is the main reason behind that or maybe dana wants to punish couture for trying to leave by putting him against the monster of lesnar."
Exactly the first thing I thought. I think Couture will be overwhelmed. Between Couture's lengthy off time and Lesnar's sheer size, it will be extremely difficult fight for Randy. I can tell you this, it may break every MMA PPV record there is...I'll be a part of it, for sure. 
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Post #8 9/2/08 9:39:13PM
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Poohbah
MMA Regular
Career record: 149-87
Season: 43-27 (#2554)
Location: Madison WI
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"maybe dana wants to punish couture for trying to leave by putting him against the monster of lesnar."
I agree with you guys, I think this is Dana's way of "welcoming" Randy back into the UFC. Seems like a horrible matchup for Randy. Randy is undersized, Brock is oversized. Randy's strength is wrestling and it will be nullified by a National Champ. Brock can strike with power, too.
This reminds me of the Tito vs. Machida matchup Dana orchestrated.
But if Randy wins.....Wow.
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Post #9 9/2/08 9:49:47PM
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fonduktoe
MMA Regular
Career record: 109-62
Season: 43-27 (#1754)
Location: Plovier, Serbia
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alot of people are predicting lesnar by caveman attack
on paper it seems that brock has the edge in many areas (all but experience basically) but randy is one of those "crafty veterans" that you can't count out.
i thought sylvia would dismantle him, but that fight turned into one of the most exciting upsets ever.
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Post #10 9/2/08 10:59:54PM
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Cdellorso
Standup Guy
Career record: 138-98
Season: 49-21 (#607)
Location: Grand Blanc MI
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
I think brock will beat lesnar but I also think that might be pushing brock too fast, because he can fall off just as fast. Werdum vs Couture would make more logical sense that would be a closer to fight IMO. From the business side of the couture vs lesnar fight, its f*cking huge and I think that is the main reason behind that or maybe dana wants to punish couture for trying to leave by putting him against the monster of lesnar.
Heres how I think it goes, Lesnar beats couture tko rnd 2, big nog beats mir and then you have big nog vs lesnar which idk who i would pick. As much as I would like to see lesnar vs mir 2, dont think mir will beat big nog but who knows.
One positive thing about lesnar vs couture is now lesnar wont fight Kongo(but now has an injury I think).
Brock could most likely be the "next big thing" for the UFC HW division while it is rebuilding.
I diagree Lessnar will Kill Brock hes to big.... too strong ------- too big ----- tooo strong ------ less taste more fillling or something!!
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Post #11 9/2/08 11:17:29PM
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The People's Mod
Career record: 152-91
Season: 47-23 (#137)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
i'll just paste my view point into this thread if you don't mind rush
i am very curious with all of the hate. i mean, i understand where a lot of you are coming from: Brock is only 1-1 in the UFC; he is too inexperienced for a title shot; Randy should be fighting Nog for the title right off the bat; Brock is disrespectful to the sport and it sickens me to see him get rewarded with a title shot. i get all the arguments and they are all valid ones.
the only thing is, i happen to have no problem with Brock fighting for the title. i justify it like this: who do you feel has a better shot at defeating Randy? Werdum? i don't think so. he has very solid JJ but has awful wrestling and his heart is weak. Randy would wipe the mat with him. Cain? he is just as inexperienced as Brock is and he hasn't defeated anyone more notable than HH, not to mention he does not match up well against Randy. so who does that leave now? Kongo? nah, he just lost to HH and he is coming off of a win over a nobody. HH, Gonzaga and Vera are both coming off of losses, and the rest of the UFC HWs are nowhere near the top 10. Mir and Nog are both locked up with TUF and no matter how much we detest the TUF process of taking notable fighters away from fighting we have to deal with it.
whether you like it or not, Brock has the best chance to beat Randy. i believe the title picture should always be the Champion vs the fighter who has the best chance to beat him. i know a lot of you guys feel you have to earn your shot, but the whole point of earning the shot is to prove that you are the best man to defeat the champion, and Lesnar seems to have done that in just 2 fights. so, if you really think about it, Brock is the perfect guy for the title fight because e is the only one left who makes you actually stop and think about who you are going to pick to win the fight.
Now, proceed to pick apart my argument and rationalize your point of view
You know my opinion on Brock, but I'll oblige you-
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the whole point of earning the shot is to prove that you are the best man to defeat the champion, and Lesnar seems to have done that in just 2 fights
Has he? I mean honestly what has he proven that we didn't already know? To me the only thing he's proven that I questioned was whether or not he had cardio.
What did we know going into this whole Brock Lesnar thing-
He's super strong
He's got a great wrestling base
He's fast for his size
What questions did we have?
Does he have cardio? (Answered- yes)
Does he have a chin?
Does he have submission defense?
Can he strike?
Honestly I don't really see how he's progressed enough as a fighter by beating an on again off again competitor in Heath Herring. He has only positively answered one question so far and that is the cardio question.
I'd just caution anyone from jumping on the bandwagon yet. The man has not been tested, and IMO hasn't proved his worthiness any more or less than the rest of the UFC's HW roster. The simple fact is that he's getting this shot against Randy for the PPV draw. It's all about the $$$ and arguably in a small sense it's about his "potential" which is all it is at this point.
People are going to say he can strike because of the punches on Mir and Herring. All I can say is that Mir and Herring aren't exactly known for their striking. Herring, like an idiot, fell for an easy trick that he should have known was coming. Same way Randleman caught Crocop. I'm just not buying him yet
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Post #12 9/2/08 11:58:31PM
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handstrong
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 29-21
Season: 29-21 (#4326)
Location: Sacramento
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How many people gave Couture a chance with Silvia? I'd say somewhere around 20% or so. Even Gonzaga was favored over Couture. ??? He had a significant size advantage, and everyone thought he would manhandle Randy. Lesnar might knock out Randy, but I don't think he will get flung around like a rag doll, like most people think. He's way too crafty in the clinch. Lesnar couldn't even finish Herring and Couture is way more saavy and much smarter of a fighter than Herring. We haven't even seen Brock get hit yet. And what Lesnar's submission defense? Don't count out the Natural. Lesnar is BIG and STRONG, but Couture is a fighting mastermind who knows how to cut down giants. I'm going with David over Goliath even at 45 yrs old.
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Post #13 9/3/08 1:23:06AM
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hails
MMA Regular
Career record: 134-94
Season: 43-27 (#1925)
Location: Melbourne
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I think the biggest problem here is, how thin the HW Division is. Now that Randy is back, I bet the other guys wished they had stayed.
AA and big Tim!!! Where are they now!!! The UFC had no choice but to make this match up, the HW division is way too thin!!! This needs to be addressed ASAP!
It was Either Randy v Brock or Randy v Neil Wain.
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Post #14 9/3/08 5:12:37AM
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tdietel01
MMA Regular
Career record: 60-33
Season: 19-9 (#5755)
Location: Findlay Ohio
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there is a reason brocks chin hasnt been tested, he wont allow it! he gets in his shot and then smothers whoever he is fighting for the rest of the fight. there is only so much craftiness that will help you against a monster like lesnar. the size factor will be too much for couture. i still think if GG didnt have blood in his eyes the whole time he could have won the match. basically this will be a small wrestler against a much bigger wrestler match and the big wrestler is also faster! no way randy wins
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