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Posted by Rush
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Posted by dannyfrank
whoa whoa whoa!! i dont know which one of us this was more directed towards, but u gotta chill. all i was saying was that i dont think people should vote for someone based on their religion. that doesnt mean that i dont think any religious person shouldnt vote. im christian, im pro-life, im an independent, and you MAJORLY misunderstood what i was saying. i honestly dont know where any of this came from
EDIT: ok now i see where this rant came from, but still man, i think you mistook what we were saying
But since you're likely not a Christian, you don't understand our perspective.
He just said that he's Christian
He was probally cofused because before Dannyfrank posted this...
Posted by dannyfrank
absolutely agree man. i honestly dont care what religion anyone is, especially in politics. i mean, isnt it supposed to be a separation of church and state? i also dont buy into that whole "christian values" thing. ive met some people who are atheist or agnostic who are way better people than some supposed "christians" that ive met.
Somewhat of a conflict....
Not really for me to judge but, if you don't buy into Christian values??? how is gsquat supposed to interpet that???
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Post #46 8/30/08 3:40:19PM
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The People's Mod
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Good things have come and will continue to come from the war in Iraq. Don't believe all the bullshit that the liberal media feeds you on that end. Granted, it needs to end sooner than later, but still.. people calling this war pointless and thinking nothing good will come of it are seriously misinformed.
As for saying that there's a lot more important things to vote on than moral values I'm curious to know what they are. I am an atheist so don't think I'm coming at you from a religious standpoint.. I just want to know what you would vote based on.
Personally I vote based on values, effectiveness, and consistency. Unfortunately I think 99% of politicians are pieces of trash that "say" more than they actually do. Me, I'm "Neither '08"
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Post #47 8/30/08 3:43:03PM
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Posted by 40ouncetofreedom
i feel theres a lot more important things to vote on than their moral values or religion Im not saying its wrong or anything whatever makes feel comfortable is fine with me...but anyone who wants to live the next 4 years like the past 8 i hope youll appricate it..when your job is outsourced,you get a VD but since you dont have a job with medical insurance you cant afford a trip to the doc or the penicilen to cure it,your house is being foreclosed now,You cant buy gas for the suv your driving,and your brother benny got blowed up in iraq,But at the end of the day you can always be happy that you voted for that "good christian" man on election day because hes just what this country needed.
So what really has the current admin.. Done to ruin your lifestyle?? and how will Obama/Biden fix these problems and what have they done in their past make you think that they can get it done???
Relgion aside Just Focus on the basics 
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Post #48 8/30/08 3:44:20PM
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dannyfrank
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Posted by Kracker_Jap
Posted by Rush
Posted by gsquat
Posted by dannyfrank
whoa whoa whoa!! i dont know which one of us this was more directed towards, but u gotta chill. all i was saying was that i dont think people should vote for someone based on their religion. that doesnt mean that i dont think any religious person shouldnt vote. im christian, im pro-life, im an independent, and you MAJORLY misunderstood what i was saying. i honestly dont know where any of this came from
EDIT: ok now i see where this rant came from, but still man, i think you mistook what we were saying
But since you're likely not a Christian, you don't understand our perspective.
He just said that he's Christian
He was probally cofused because before Dannyfrank posted this...
Posted by dannyfrank
absolutely agree man. i honestly dont care what religion anyone is, especially in politics. i mean, isnt it supposed to be a separation of church and state? i also dont buy into that whole "christian values" thing. ive met some people who are atheist or agnostic who are way better people than some supposed "christians" that ive met.
Somewhat of a conflict....
Not really for me to judge but, if you don't buy into Christian values??? how is gsquat supposed to interpet that???
oh my god. i am a christian. i was trying to say that not everyone who proclaims to have "christian values" is a good person. bush supposedly has "christian values" but he is not a good f*ckin person!!
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Post #49 8/30/08 3:58:44PM
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Laying down the beats
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Posted by dannyfrank
oh my god. i am a christian.
Then shouldn't it be "Oh my God"
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Post #50 8/30/08 4:10:22PM
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The People's Mod
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Posted by Rush
Posted by dannyfrank
oh my god. i am a christian.
Then shouldn't it be "Oh my God"
LOL
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Post #51 8/30/08 4:11:58PM
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dannyfrank
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Posted by Rush
Posted by dannyfrank
oh my god. i am a christian.
Then shouldn't it be "Oh my God"
touche!
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Post #52 8/30/08 5:01:31PM
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Posted by dannyfrank
Posted by Kracker_Jap
Posted by Rush
Posted by gsquat
Posted by dannyfrank
whoa whoa whoa!! i dont know which one of us this was more directed towards, but u gotta chill. all i was saying was that i dont think people should vote for someone based on their religion. that doesnt mean that i dont think any religious person shouldnt vote. im christian, im pro-life, im an independent, and you MAJORLY misunderstood what i was saying. i honestly dont know where any of this came from
EDIT: ok now i see where this rant came from, but still man, i think you mistook what we were saying
But since you're likely not a Christian, you don't understand our perspective.
He just said that he's Christian
He was probally cofused because before Dannyfrank posted this...
Posted by dannyfrank
absolutely agree man. i honestly dont care what religion anyone is, especially in politics. i mean, isnt it supposed to be a separation of church and state? i also dont buy into that whole "christian values" thing. ive met some people who are atheist or agnostic who are way better people than some supposed "christians" that ive met.
Somewhat of a conflict....
Not really for me to judge but, if you don't buy into Christian values??? how is gsquat supposed to interpet that???
oh my god. i am a christian. i was trying to say that not everyone who proclaims to have "christian values" is a good person. bush supposedly has "christian values" but he is not a good f*ckin person!!
Actually you may have noticed when I wrote it that I don't like Bush. I think he is as false a Christian as Bill Clinton, and a puppet to boot. People can proclaim whatever they want , religious or not, and I have a brother-close friend who is a atheist. I would trust him with my and my family's lives. The bible says by their fruits you will know them. That means your actions speak louder than words. It is why i said character is everything to me. Someone can tel you they are going to do anything , but what they actually do defines who they are as a person to me.
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Post #53 8/30/08 7:50:11PM
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Posted by hippysmacker
Posted by dannyfrank
Posted by Kracker_Jap
Posted by Rush
Posted by gsquat
Posted by dannyfrank
whoa whoa whoa!! i dont know which one of us this was more directed towards, but u gotta chill. all i was saying was that i dont think people should vote for someone based on their religion. that doesnt mean that i dont think any religious person shouldnt vote. im christian, im pro-life, im an independent, and you MAJORLY misunderstood what i was saying. i honestly dont know where any of this came from
EDIT: ok now i see where this rant came from, but still man, i think you mistook what we were saying
But since you're likely not a Christian, you don't understand our perspective.
He just said that he's Christian
He was probally cofused because before Dannyfrank posted this...
Posted by dannyfrank
absolutely agree man. i honestly dont care what religion anyone is, especially in politics. i mean, isnt it supposed to be a separation of church and state? i also dont buy into that whole "christian values" thing. ive met some people who are atheist or agnostic who are way better people than some supposed "christians" that ive met.
Somewhat of a conflict....
Not really for me to judge but, if you don't buy into Christian values??? how is gsquat supposed to interpet that???
oh my god. i am a christian. i was trying to say that not everyone who proclaims to have "christian values" is a good person. bush supposedly has "christian values" but he is not a good f*ckin person!!
Actually you may have noticed when I wrote it that I don't like Bush. I think he is as false a Christian as Bill Clinton, and a puppet to boot. People can proclaim whatever they want , religious or not, and I have a brother-close friend who is a atheist. I would trust him with my and my family's lives. The bible says by their fruits you will know them. That means your actions speak louder than words. It is why i said character is everything to me. Someone can tel you they are going to do anything , but what they actually do defines who they are as a person to me.
thats cool man. i wasnt trying to bash you or anything. i think this conversation just got a little out of hand. its cool to look at someone's character. all i was trying to say was that it seems ridiculous to vote for someone because of their religion
i also wasnt saying that you were a GW fan, that was just the first example that came to mind 
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Post #54 8/30/08 8:17:39PM
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Posted by 40ouncetofreedom
its time to end the war take our country back and make peace with world.
This was the best thing said in this whole thread. I don't understand why more people aren't supporting that. There is no need for any more lives to be lost over this war, and McCain has repeatedly said he will have us in more wars. Any human life is more important to me than oil, gas prices, money, or anything else for that matter.
Posted by hippysmacker
Hey , I am intolerant of rape and child molestation. Am I a intolerant person? No, good. Hey I disagree with homosexuality . Am I intolerant person ? according to a lot of liberals , yes.
In all fairness to the gays, that's a bit extreme. Homosexuality is between two consenting adults, while child molestation is between a adult predator and an innocent unconsenting child. It's a bit unfair to compare the two.
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
definitely VPILF material 
Agreed.
Posted by Jackelope
Good things have come and will continue to come from the war in Iraq.
Please elaborate.
Posted by Jackelope
Unfortunately I think 99% of politicians are pieces of trash that "say" more than they actually do.
Agreed.
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Post #55 8/30/08 9:16:16PM
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Posted by gspfan
Posted by 40ouncetofreedom
its time to end the war take our country back and make peace with world.
This was the best thing said in this whole thread. I don't understand why more people aren't supporting that. There is no need for any more lives to be lost over this war, and McCain has repeatedly said he will have us in more wars. Any human life is more important to me than oil, gas prices, money, or anything else for that matter.
Posted by hippysmacker
Hey , I am intolerant of rape and child molestation. Am I a intolerant person? No, good. Hey I disagree with homosexuality . Am I intolerant person ? according to a lot of liberals , yes.
In all fairness to the gays, that's a bit extreme. Homosexuality is between two consenting adults, while child molestation is between a adult predator and an innocent unconsenting child. It's a bit unfair to compare the two.
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
definitely VPILF material
Agreed.
Posted by Jackelope
Good things have come and will continue to come from the war in Iraq.
Please elaborate.
Posted by Jackelope
Unfortunately I think 99% of politicians are pieces of trash that "say" more than they actually do.
Agreed.
The first comment shows me that you have fully bought into the war being over money and oil, it is fair to say that we have recieved no money or special rights to Iraqs oil....
For some of us we are willing to risk our own life if it means another will gain freedom and saftey
2nd comment it is very commen for people to see the errors in their thinking when a person like hippysmacker breaks down a complicated issue with a simple example....
others will say its not fair
3rd comment I agree most conservatives are good lookin
4th commrent Saddam is out of the picture the people of Iraq are free... If you pay attention to the current news you will know that we are currently under negotiations to come up with a withdrawl date (that should make you happy)
5th comment I disagree
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Post #56 8/30/08 9:38:10PM
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Posted by Kracker_Jap
Posted by gspfan
Posted by 40ouncetofreedom
its time to end the war take our country back and make peace with world.
This was the best thing said in this whole thread. I don't understand why more people aren't supporting that. There is no need for any more lives to be lost over this war, and McCain has repeatedly said he will have us in more wars. Any human life is more important to me than oil, gas prices, money, or anything else for that matter.
Posted by hippysmacker
Hey , I am intolerant of rape and child molestation. Am I a intolerant person? No, good. Hey I disagree with homosexuality . Am I intolerant person ? according to a lot of liberals , yes.
In all fairness to the gays, that's a bit extreme. Homosexuality is between two consenting adults, while child molestation is between a adult predator and an innocent unconsenting child. It's a bit unfair to compare the two.
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
definitely VPILF material
Agreed.
Posted by Jackelope
Good things have come and will continue to come from the war in Iraq.
Please elaborate.
Posted by Jackelope
Unfortunately I think 99% of politicians are pieces of trash that "say" more than they actually do.
Agreed.
The first comment shows me that you have fully bought into the war being over money and oil, it is fair to say that we have recieved no money or special rights to Iraqs oil....
For some of us we are willing to risk our own life if it means another will gain freedom and saftey
2nd comment it is very commen for people to see the errors in their thinking when a person like hippysmacker breaks down a complicated issue with a simple example....
others will say its not fair
3rd comment I agree most conservatives are good lookin
4th commrent Saddam is out of the picture the people of Iraq are free... If you pay attention to the current news you will know that we are currently under negotiations to come up with a withdrawl date (that should make you happy)
5th comment I disagree
First response....Your 4th response is my response. Saddam is out of the picture, they have no weapons of mass destruction, and the people of Iraq are free. Why should we stay? I don't know how to make this any more clear, or get this through to people. PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR LIVES. Our soldiers. Innocent Iraqis. American families are losing their young kids just out of high school that bravely volunteer their services. Our brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, sons, and daughters. And like you said, Saddam is gone and they are now free. So why should we stay? You can't say for our safety. They pose no threat to us. The only place they aren't safe is in Iraq. There is nothing left to do over there that I would justify taking a human life for.
Second response.... Do you think it's fair to compare gays with child molestors?
Third response....Word
Fourth response...good response.
Fifth response...To each his own. Respect
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Post #57 8/30/08 10:16:13PM
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Free Kracker Please
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Posted by gspfan
First response....Your 4th response is my response. Saddam is out of the picture, they have no weapons of mass destruction, and the people of Iraq are free. Why should we stay? I don't know how to make this any more clear, or get this through to people. PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR LIVES. Our soldiers. Innocent Iraqis. American families are losing their young kids just out of high school that bravely volunteer their services. Our brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, sons, and daughters. And like you said, Saddam is gone and they are now free. So why should we stay? You can't say for our safety. They pose no threat to us. The only place they aren't safe is in Iraq. There is nothing left to do over there that I would justify taking a human life for.
Thank you for responding to my response...
There are plenty of poeple in our country that disagree it would be nice if more were like us and could talk about it
My only thought that could add to our post is this...
There were no weapons off mass destruction in Iraq that were found But what was found was a evil dictator that hade terrorized his on people for most of there lives he killed thosands and scared them all, what we did be getting saddam out of there was a good thing for us, for them, and for the world I completly disagree with you free and then flee notion.....
We have to stay there long enough for roads, schools, hospitals and the over all infastructure is rebuilt, to leave before they can stand on thier own feet would be wrong
It doesn't matter if they want it or you want it... If letting them stand alone is premature we free'd them we are rebuilding them and it is our responsabilty to make sure they will not end up in a dictatorship again...
I agree with peace, and talking things out, but I also have commen sense
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Post #58 8/30/08 11:04:30PM
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IMO opinion I think all Super Christian's are infact evil. So if Having a super christian mindset makes you a conservative...then I'm picking OBAMA.
BTW, I am a christian.
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Post #59 8/31/08 12:56:01AM
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Posted by Kracker_Jap
Thank you for responding to my response...
There are plenty of poeple in our country that disagree it would be nice if more were like us and could talk about it
My only thought that could add to our post is this...
There were no weapons off mass destruction in Iraq that were found But what was found was a evil dictator that hade terrorized his on people for most of there lives he killed thosands and scared them all, what we did be getting saddam out of there was a good thing for us, for them, and for the world I completly disagree with you free and then flee notion.....
We have to stay there long enough for roads, schools, hospitals and the over all infastructure is rebuilt, to leave before they can stand on thier own feet would be wrong
It doesn't matter if they want it or you want it... If letting them stand alone is premature we free'd them we are rebuilding them and it is our responsabilty to make sure they will not end up in a dictatorship again...
I agree with peace, and talking things out, but I also have commen sense
I know this isn't me your replying to but I thought I would jump in here.
As far as freeing the people of Iraq that wasn't the reason we attacked in the first place. The reason given to the American people was that Iraq had WMDs and were funding terrorist. But both of those turned out to be false. In fact it was shown later that the Bush administration had manipulated the facts to show what the wanted them too. So one has to wonder why did we attack a country for no real reason. Once it was proved that both the original reasons for this war were false the right wing says we were freeing the people of Iraq. But did we really help because now we have opened the door for Sunni's & Shi'ite's to start waring with each other causing even more deaths. A large number of Iraq's people fled Iraq and the death toll is getting close to 1mil Iraqis. I know some Iraqis started out happy we removed Saddam from power but the longer we stay the more discontent they become. So now not only do you have Sunni's & Shi'ite's killing each other but we have made a breeding ground for anti-American sentiment.
So what have we gained from this war. Nothing in fact we have lost American lives, Money, spread our self thin, and have breed more terrorist than there were to start with. The hole time the real war on terrorist is being waged in Afghanistan and still to this date we have yet to catch the guy this was really all about Bin Laden.
Something else I find funny is just right before elections they start claiming that we COULD be pulling out by years end. The war is just one issues there are so many other things I could go in too but really don't want this to turn ugly. I see it being a very open topic at this point and would rather keep it that way. Now I'm not saying Obama is the best choice but I also feel the even worst choice is McCain. Because with McCain I see no real change happening. I don't think I will be voting this year because both choices are just so bad. But at the same time I'm half temped to vote for a guy I don't really like just so McCain doesn't get in to office. You know most of my life I always heard other countries saying how get America was but now I don't see that anymore. What I see now is our country becoming a joke to the rest of the world.
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