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Why do people think Cung le can beat Anderson when
Why do people think Cung le can beat Anderson when |
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postman
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Posted by Hillbilly
Rich Franklin would beat Cung Le on the feet 
Sorry but you get a 
Posted by warglory
Le's kicks are not fierce...at all. Le's apparent wrestling credentials may be decent, but they are not even close to the level of grappling ability shown by Nate Marquardt, Travis Lutter and Dan Henderson, none of which could keep Silva down.
Le's boxing is completely subpar in every way to Silva's who would pick him apart, EVEN on the outside. However, if Le was somehow able to keep Silva away with kicks, Silva would easily clinch up with Le and absolutely obliterate him! Shamrock, who is much much weaker at striking than Anderson, was able to put Cung into some trouble spots when he found his range when he cornered Cung against the cage and went in close.
How are they not fierce he broke Franks arm by kicking it. Dan Henderson had no problem getting Anderson down and holding him there. And finaly if he is on the outside how will Anderson Clinch up you need to be on the inside to do that and that is where the throws will come into play.
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Post #16 8/28/08 8:16:29PM
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RMFG_187
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Posted by warglory
Posted by RMFG_187
long story short.
Le kicks better, Wrestles better, Has better Defense, Greater Strength and conditioning, and has a better chin.
A Silva has better knees, better clinch, BJJ, and is probably just a bit more agile.
Silva will need the clinch to land knees, something that not many fighters have been able to do with Cung is get into the clunch, and u need to be on the ground to apply BJJ skills. and Cung has excellent TD Defense and his TD's seem to always land him in sidemount..
Im not saying that Cung Le will just run right through A Silva, But A Silva will be proven to not be as dominant as everyone thought. A Silva is the best of the worst division in MMA, and Cung is 2nd. But Cung in his 5th or 6th fight took out a legend in MW division. A Silva has been stopped before, in boxing and mma, Cung Le has never been stopped in anything. at least as far as i kno.
If Cung can drag it out to rounds 3-4, it will be a funny fight. Cung didnt even look a bit tired at the end of the action packed 3rd round with Frank.
Cung via round 4 TKO.
Le's kicks are not fierce...at all. Le's apparent wrestling credentials may be decent, but they are not even close to the level of grappling ability shown by Nate Marquardt, Travis Lutter and Dan Henderson, none of which could keep Silva down.
Le's boxing is completely subpar in every way to Silva's who would pick him apart, EVEN on the outside. However, if Le was somehow able to keep Silva away with kicks, Silva would easily clinch up with Le and absolutely obliterate him! Shamrock, who is much much weaker at striking than Anderson, was able to put Cung into some trouble spots when he found his range when he cornered Cung against the cage and went in close.
If Frank wasn't such a damn showboat, I think he would have been able to finish Cung in the first round personally. I was not impressed by Cung's performance in the least and have severe doubts about his standing as a top 10 Middleweight.
To say Le has no kick power, is ridiculous. Frank has fought people like Bas that kick like a mule, and Frank has come on top. But Le's kickes shattered his arm, and cost him the fight. and against Silva, Lutter got mount, Marquart shouldnt even get recognition for that fight, and Hendo dominated Silva on the ground in round 1. Im not saying Cung will own on the ground, but if it comes to TD's and TD defense you have to give it to Cung. A Silva has been taken down by guys that arent even Top 50 anymore. Lutter got mount, Ryo subbed him, and Cung hasnt been taken down, hurt, tired or anything like that. The worst that happend to Cung is that Frank made is mouth 2 inches bigger with a cut, thats it. On top of that, A Silva hasnt fought a striker with the credentials that Cung possesses. Cung was Shan shou champ, i think he went like 15-0, and K-1 he is 3-0. Not to mention boxing where he is undefeated.
Standing, I give Cung an advantage. his quickness and unorthodox striking would make it perfect to cath A Silva off guard. Silva wont get the clinch with Cung, and thats Silva's specialty.
Im not saying that there is no way that Cung will lose, But I gotta say u cant count him out, and I sure as hell think he would win.
Cung round 4 TKO as always
EDIT: Seems the postman above beat me to it.
Last edited 8/28/08 10:48PM by RMFG_187
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Post #17 8/28/08 10:47:16PM
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Pitbull09
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Posted by RMFG_187
long story short.
Le kicks better, Wrestles better, Has better Defense, Greater Strength and conditioning, and has a better chin.
A Silva has better knees, better clinch, BJJ, and is probably just a bit more agile.
Silva will need the clinch to land knees, something that not many fighters have been able to do with Cung is get into the clunch, and u need to be on the ground to apply BJJ skills. and Cung has excellent TD Defense and his TD's seem to always land him in sidemount..
Im not saying that Cung Le will just run right through A Silva, But A Silva will be proven to not be as dominant as everyone thought. A Silva is the best of the worst division in MMA, and Cung is 2nd. But Cung in his 5th or 6th fight took out a legend in MW division. A Silva has been stopped before, in boxing and mma, Cung Le has never been stopped in anything. at least as far as i kno.
If Cung can drag it out to rounds 3-4, it will be a funny fight. Cung didnt even look a bit tired at the end of the action packed 3rd round with Frank.
Cung via round 4 TKO.
With the advantages people are giving Lee, I don't understand why he isn';t in most peoples P4P list. Anderson Silva by murder just like if it was Anderson Silva vs Paul Filho (  )
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Post #18 8/28/08 11:47:02PM
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warglory
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Posted by RMFG_187
To say Le has no kick power, is ridiculous. Frank has fought people like Bas that kick like a mule, and Frank has come on top.
Frank lost to Bas twice! Bas had very little ground game prior to 1995, and he has admitted that. Frank was able to beat him the first time because Frank was a ground expert and Bas was a kickboxer, simple as that. It doesn't matter how much power you have when you can't defend yourself on the ground.
Cung Le's only advantage with his kicks is his speed, but he has demonstrated in every one of his matches that he does NOT have much power. He had fought mediocre competition prior to fighting Shamrock whom were prone to being confused by Cung's quick style. Machida is far more proficient with his kicking style, which is the closest comparison in MMA to Le's.
But Le's kickes shattered his arm, and cost him the fight. and against Silva, Lutter got mount, Marquart shouldnt even get recognition for that fight, and Hendo dominated Silva on the ground in round 1. Im not saying Cung will own on the ground, but if it comes to TD's and TD defense you have to give it to Cung.
He shattered his arm, so what? Frank was being an idiot, showboating to the crowd, and wasn't properly defending kicks. Cung fought a great fight and definitely deserved the win, but if Frank had wanted to take Cung down, he would have.
As for Lutter and Marquardt, both are incredible ground technicians. Travis Lutter is considered one of the top grapplers in the division, by far. Way better than Cung Le. Anderson never really looked that in trouble with either of these guys. As for Hendo, he did a damn good job in the first round of their fight because Hendo is a top 5 fighter in the division, which only makes Anderson submitting a fighter of Hendo's caliber that much better. Speaking of which, how many people has Cung Le submitted in MMA? Silva isn't a submission artist, but he submitted Dan freakin Henderson! Why you somehow think Le would perform better on the ground is beyond me.
A Silva has been taken down by guys that arent even Top 50 anymore. Lutter got mount, Ryo subbed him, and Cung hasnt been taken down, hurt, tired or anything like that. The worst that happend to Cung is that Frank made is mouth 2 inches bigger with a cut, thats it. On top of that, A Silva hasnt fought a striker with the credentials that Cung possesses. Cung was Shan shou champ, i think he went like 15-0, and K-1 he is 3-0. Not to mention boxing where he is undefeated.
Top 50? Are you kidding me? Every fight Anderson has had in the UFC has been against a top tier opponent, all of which would have a good chance of beating Cung Le, including Chris Leben. Le's credentials outside of MMA do little but to show where he has strong areas in traditional martial arts, but does little to say how he'd fare against a battle tested Anderson Silva.
Standing, I give Cung an advantage. his quickness and unorthodox striking would make it perfect to cath A Silva off guard. Silva wont get the clinch with Cung, and thats Silva's specialty.
Im not saying that there is no way that Cung will lose, But I gotta say u cant count him out, and I sure as hell think he would win.
Cung round 4 TKO as always
Dude, Cung has had 5 matches against non contenders and one match against Frank Shamrock who honestly would not cut it in the UFC Middleweight division today, a division Anderson has literally meandered through with few who have a chance today of taking him on. What evidence supports your conclusion that Cung Le has better striking than the p4p top fighter in the world?
Last edited 8/29/08 6:45PM by warglory
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Post #19 8/29/08 6:43:28PM
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sparky
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Season: 47-23 (#322)
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Cung Le could never beat Anderson Silva not even if he had the performance of his life. Their on completely different levels!!!
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Post #20 8/29/08 9:15:07PM
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