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AftaabehEshk
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Even Frank Shamrock was able to go toe to toe with him and hold his own. Shamrock went right at Cung and stayed in Cung's world, Frank fought a stupid fight and Cung could not put him away. And there where parts in that fight where Frank Shamrock was putting Cung in bad positions. It seems that Cung's striking is overated. Yeah he's one of the best strikers in MMA but he's no where near Anderson's level. Where not talking pure karate or K1. We're talking MMA.. The real deal. If Cung was that level of a striker that people say he is, would'nt he have fared better against Frank Shamrock. If Frank Shamrock went toe to toe with Anderson Silva he would be KTFO in round 1. Yet people somehow assume Cung is the guy to beat Anderson? It makes zero sense. Anderson is better than Cung on the feet, with jujitsu, and with wrestling. Where exactly does Cung have the advantage. It's not that I dont think much of Cung, hes amazing. But Anderson Silva has shown he's so many levels above him. I will come back to it again, if Cung is so great on his feet, why was he in a close fight with Frank ShamGlam when Frank only played to Cung's strenghth.
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Post #1 8/28/08 2:48:31PM
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Khaos
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I have to agree with you.
Although I was DEVASTATED when Frank lost that fight(I'm a FS mark).
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Post #2 8/28/08 2:58:26PM
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The_Ho_Bag
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my trainer has an everlasting beef w/ Cung Le so i found kind of funny when Cung Le won b/c i rubbed it in his face =)
But Silva would destroy Le in a matter of mins b/c Silva's Muay thai is better then Le's Sanshaou imo
and if it goes to the ground Silvas BJJ would dominate Le the same way he did to Lutter
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Post #3 8/28/08 3:05:06PM
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AftaabehEshk
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I hope this fight takes place. Cause I dont want people saying Cung woudl have beaten him later on as we look back on their careers. Any thinking you had of that, watching Cung's last fight, its more than obvious Anderson would knock him remarkably out. Its only a matter of what round.
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Post #4 8/28/08 3:09:22PM
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honestly i think it would alot like the irvin-alexander fight a one-hiter-quiter
say by some miricle cung gets him down than at that point anderson wins via what ever sub he wants im o
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Post #5 8/28/08 3:59:51PM
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postman
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You have to rember that Cung had to watch for Frank to take him down I think that had alot to do with how that fight went. I would pick Anderson in that fight but lets be honest the threat of a take down by Anderson would be far less due to the fact that Anderson wants to stand and trade and knock ppl out. As far as not putting him away what more do you want he broke the guys arm with kicks and Frank couldn't answer the bell. How is he suposed to knock him out if he quits in the middle of the fight?
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Post #6 8/28/08 4:59:33PM
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fullerene
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I would favor Silva over Le (or anyone else at MW), but I can see why Le is an intriguing choice with a legitimate chance to win. It's a matter of style, which is important in MMA. The logic goes something like this
1) Cung Le has more comptetive striking experience than Silva by far. Outside of MMA Silva has only competed in a couple of documented professional boxing matches (going 1-1) and no documented professional kickboxing matches (unless somebody shows me something I haven't seen). Le went 17-0 in San Shou and was the top fighter in the world, or at least in the states, in that style and he went 3-0 fighting in K-1. So, forgetting about MMA experience, you have a guy who's 20-0 in styles that include knees, kicks and throws (for 17 of them) vs. a guy who's 1-1 in a style that allows only punching.
2) Using point 1 as evidence, you can argue that Cung Le will win the striking portion of an MMA fight against Silva. At the every least, he's the most accomplished striker Silva has ever faced.
3) If point 2 holds true, Silva will have a lot of trouble in getting the fight to the ground. Le has more wrestling experience (all american in high school and juco), is used to transitioning from striking to throws from San Shou (which he was very good at) and he is the more compact of the two.
That 1,2,3 is the "smart fan's" logic, but there are a lot more fans who simply want to see them fight for one reason: Le is one of the most exciting and athletically gifted fighters in the world. People judge many fighters by their highlight reels...Silva has one fo the best and Le--if you include his kickboxing and training ones--has maybe the very best. Certainly he looks better than more traditional challengers like Matt Lindland or Paulo Filho.
I guess a final reason people would think he would win is because he's never lost in profressional fighting while Silva has. Silva has 4 losses in MMA and 1 in boxing. Le has 0 losses in MMA, K-1 and San Shou. That doesn't mean that much to me, but a lot of people won't believe that a guy can ever lose until they see it actually happen. Especially if the guy has a unique athleticism (r*remembers futility of arguing about Roy Jones and Mark Kerr years ago).
Like I said, I still look at all of that and go with the proven commodity of Silva as my favorite. But I don't think a Le victory is out of the question and I do think it's one of the most intriguing fights that Silva can make.
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Post #7 8/28/08 5:18:07PM
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AftaabehEshk
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I peg you FullRene as the number 1 pound for pound poster. And I did that for Great Reason. But I will have to disagree here. There is a huge difference in those other combats and a real MMA fight. And this is not the same Anderson Silva of 4 years ago. Anderson is on another level right now. This is the guy that most people feel is the best pound for pound fighter in the world. And that's a world that includes Fedor. And I dont think that stocky build helps Cung, I think it helps Anderson. MMA striking is the real deal. Its like comparing Baseball to Football. San Shou is like baseball. The guidelines is more strict, less room for freedom. Is there thai clinch in San Shou. MMA is like football. More freedom. In baseball you get a hit, you run in a straight line, the fielders are generally in the same spot. Very rigid game and no run for artistry. In football you can zig zag move backwards move forward. Run a slant then break it off and go down the field. MMA you can fight and strike in so many different ways. Especially in the octagon, yeah that octagon brings out the best real fighter. Anderson is faster than Cung, and longer than him. Especially looking at the defense Cung has, and how he fared against Frank Shamrock. I think Anderson would make him look horrible. He is so much more dynamic, not just in overall fighting but in striking as well. Cung has never faced a guy like Anderson. Cung beats people. Anderson not only beats people, he makes them look like they dont belong. It takes a special fighter to do that. And the more I see him the better he is getting.
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Post #8 8/28/08 5:46:47PM
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postman
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No way your going to tell me that Anderson delivers kicks faster then Cung. Its simply not a true statement. I'm not sure if his hands are any faster either. With the Trows I don't know how easy the Clinch would be for Anderson to hold on Cung.
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Post #9 8/28/08 6:10:15PM
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RMFG_187
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long story short.
Le kicks better, Wrestles better, Has better Defense, Greater Strength and conditioning, and has a better chin.
A Silva has better knees, better clinch, BJJ, and is probably just a bit more agile.
Silva will need the clinch to land knees, something that not many fighters have been able to do with Cung is get into the clunch, and u need to be on the ground to apply BJJ skills. and Cung has excellent TD Defense and his TD's seem to always land him in sidemount..
Im not saying that Cung Le will just run right through A Silva, But A Silva will be proven to not be as dominant as everyone thought. A Silva is the best of the worst division in MMA, and Cung is 2nd. But Cung in his 5th or 6th fight took out a legend in MW division. A Silva has been stopped before, in boxing and mma, Cung Le has never been stopped in anything. at least as far as i kno.
If Cung can drag it out to rounds 3-4, it will be a funny fight. Cung didnt even look a bit tired at the end of the action packed 3rd round with Frank.
Cung via round 4 TKO.
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Post #10 8/28/08 6:27:05PM
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Cung doesn't have what it takes to overthrow the well rounded, fast lanky attack of Silva. He really hasn't proven anything in this sport yet. If he'd messed up FS, the way I thought he might, I'd say maybe. But we've seen what he's capable of and he'd be middle of the pack at MW in UFC.
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Post #11 8/28/08 6:29:52PM
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Hillbilly
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Rich Franklin would beat Cung Le on the feet 
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Post #12 8/28/08 6:42:40PM
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StriderXero
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Yeah Cung Le was watching out for Frank's take downs. He didn't believe Frank when he said he wanted to stand with him. He was very cautious of the take down, and got caught a couple of times with stand up.
If Ryo Chonan can hold his own against Silva, what makes you think Cung cant?
After watching both fighters, it's really hard for me to pick who would win. I think it would be anybody's fight. I respect both of them. very classy guys.
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Post #13 8/28/08 6:43:03PM
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warglory
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Posted by RMFG_187
long story short.
Le kicks better, Wrestles better, Has better Defense, Greater Strength and conditioning, and has a better chin.
A Silva has better knees, better clinch, BJJ, and is probably just a bit more agile.
Silva will need the clinch to land knees, something that not many fighters have been able to do with Cung is get into the clunch, and u need to be on the ground to apply BJJ skills. and Cung has excellent TD Defense and his TD's seem to always land him in sidemount..
Im not saying that Cung Le will just run right through A Silva, But A Silva will be proven to not be as dominant as everyone thought. A Silva is the best of the worst division in MMA, and Cung is 2nd. But Cung in his 5th or 6th fight took out a legend in MW division. A Silva has been stopped before, in boxing and mma, Cung Le has never been stopped in anything. at least as far as i kno.
If Cung can drag it out to rounds 3-4, it will be a funny fight. Cung didnt even look a bit tired at the end of the action packed 3rd round with Frank.
Cung via round 4 TKO.
Le's kicks are not fierce...at all. Le's apparent wrestling credentials may be decent, but they are not even close to the level of grappling ability shown by Nate Marquardt, Travis Lutter and Dan Henderson, none of which could keep Silva down.
Le's boxing is completely subpar in every way to Silva's who would pick him apart, EVEN on the outside. However, if Le was somehow able to keep Silva away with kicks, Silva would easily clinch up with Le and absolutely obliterate him! Shamrock, who is much much weaker at striking than Anderson, was able to put Cung into some trouble spots when he found his range when he cornered Cung against the cage and went in close.
If Frank wasn't such a damn showboat, I think he would have been able to finish Cung in the first round personally. I was not impressed by Cung's performance in the least and have severe doubts about his standing as a top 10 Middleweight.
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Post #14 8/28/08 6:52:34PM
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AftaabehEshk
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That's what Im talking about. All this talk about Cung's striking. It makes me feel that people did not see the fight. I dont care that Cung was worried about being taken down, that's ridiculous, Anderson has fought much better Wrestlers than Cung ever fought, he was worried about the take down, in his case though, he still dominated. Cung was in trouble with Frank Shamrock on his feet. That's a fact. What do you think about Dan Henderson as a wrestler, were talking one of the greatest wrestlers ever in the history of MMA, he took Anderson down, Anderson weathered the storm and came back and dominated him. And Henderson is one of the greatest fighters ever. It does not matter to me that Cung is undefeated, so what. Who has he fought. Randy Cotoure has only won 2/3 of his MMA fights, but hes one of the greatest ever. Its not about records, its about who you fight. Its crazy to say Cung is even close to Anderson in boxing. So the people who are saying Cung will do this and that, are they saying he is a better wrestler than some of the guys Anderson fought. And Anderson is not the same fighter he was against Ryo Chonan. Am I asking who would have won this fight years ago, or who is winning it now. I love the way Cung fights and I wish him success against most guys. But forget Anderson, he needs to beat top 10 MW's to even be put in the same breath. And I get so sick of people dissing the middleweight division. Its not that weak. Of course its not as talented as LHW or LW. But its still a damn tough division, thats a disservive to Anderson. Its just that Anderson is that great.
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Post #15 8/28/08 7:05:26PM
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