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KJ Noons may not be a coward, but he’s doing an awfully good impression of one.

The latest temper tantrum -- a pastime nearly as popular as the sport itself -- to hit media sites has been between Noons’ employer, EliteXC parent company ProElite, and Noons’ manager, Mark Dion, who insists proposed opponent Nick Diaz isn’t a credible contender for an Oct. 4 defense of Noons’ EliteXC lightweight title on CBS.

(The very same title he won against Diaz, a fact that incites a paradox of Dion’s claim: If Diaz isn’t a worthy opponent, what worth does Noons’ belt possess? Doc Brown warned us about this kind of thing.)

This stalemate was preceded earlier by Noons’ apathetic response to pestering about his seemingly inevitable rematch with Diaz. To paraphrase: I’ve beaten him once, so why do it again? I’m in no rush.

But you should be, Mr. Noons. You should be.

If there’s one thing MMA can finally offer after 15 years of its stubborn existence, it’s hindsight: If you don’t do the money match now, it’s going to slip right through your Ouano-laced fingers.

Back in 2003, the UFC thought it could “build” to a marquee match between Ken Shamrock and David "Tank" Abbott. Unfortunately, both went virtually winless in the Octagon, and the polished veneer of that fight chipped off like paint with no primer.

But it’s more than just the loss of a potentially incendiary fight. Barely in diapers in his MMA career, Noons was being offered the Holy Grail of anyone coveting mass exposure: a slot on primetime network television. A fight on CBS, regardless of the result, would give Noons an instant level of recognition that could be parlayed into any number of opportunities: endorsements, sponsorships, acting, seminars, etc.

Put another way, product advertisers spend hundreds of thousands of dollars securing pithy ad time on networks in an effort to marinate viewer brains in their product. Dion’s product is Noons, and instead of paying out the nose for the exposure, ProElite would be paying him -- and so would sponsors eager to get their logos captured by CBS’ high-definition cameras.

I’m not a business major, but that doesn’t sound too bad.

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Post #1   8/25/08 7:50:05AM   

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Post #2   8/25/08 10:39:40AM   
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A damn good article. Thanks for bringing it up.

Post #3   8/25/08 11:07:20AM   

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Duck Duck Duck can't the company force him to face Diaz...

Post #4   8/25/08 12:23:13PM   

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Theres really no way around it, Noons is scared of losing his belt to Diaz. With good reason, I might add.

My guess is the belt is actually in a pawn shop & Noons is afraid when he loses it he wouldn't be able to produce it so they can strap it on Diaz' waist.

The article was excellent & quite well written with alot of very good and unavoidable facts that I'm sure Noony & his manager really wish hadnt been brought up. Thx for sharing.

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Post #5   8/25/08 12:39:01PM   

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great article, noons knows the last fight he got lucky. diaz always takes some shots early on in fights, and he usually weathers the storm and takes over when his opponent gets tired.

Post #6   8/25/08 2:10:24PM   

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What exactly does Dion tell his guys to make them believe they are doing whats best for their career in situations like this.

Assuming he's the reason behind the avoidance.

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Post #7   8/25/08 2:43:00PM   

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Posted by nickcuc547

great article, noons knows the last fight he got lucky. diaz always takes some shots early on in fights, and he usually weathers the storm and takes over when his opponent gets tired.



BS, Noons was destroying Diaz in their fight and would have finished it had the ref not put a stop to it.

Post #8   8/25/08 10:44:24PM   

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Posted by warglory


Posted by nickcuc547

great article, noons knows the last fight he got lucky. diaz always takes some shots early on in fights, and he usually weathers the storm and takes over when his opponent gets tired.



BS, Noons was destroying Diaz in their fight and would have finished it had the ref not put a stop to it.


and i actually think Noons would win the rematch which is why this whole situation is confusing to me

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Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by warglory


Posted by nickcuc547

great article, noons knows the last fight he got lucky. diaz always takes some shots early on in fights, and he usually weathers the storm and takes over when his opponent gets tired.



BS, Noons was destroying Diaz in their fight and would have finished it had the ref not put a stop to it.


and i actually think Noons would win the rematch which is why this whole situation is confusing to me



The only way noons wins the rematch is if diaz is stupid enough to try and box him again. I don't see that happening again though.

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Posted by Sam_Rothstein


The only way noons wins the rematch is if diaz is stupid enough to try and box him again. I don't see that happening again though.



well what take down ability do you think DIaz has to get the fight to the ground? he has some of the worst take downs in MMA, i don't see him getting this to his world.

Post #12   8/26/08 5:10:45PM   

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Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by Sam_Rothstein


The only way noons wins the rematch is if diaz is stupid enough to try and box him again. I don't see that happening again though.



well what take down ability do you think DIaz has to get the fight to the ground? he has some of the worst take downs in MMA, i don't see him getting this to his world.




Well im not saying hes gonna get noons down on his first take down attempt, but when he does get this fight to the ground its over before it started.

I mean Diaz only went for 1 or 2 takedowns in that fight vs noons and it happened after he realized he might of took the fight too lightly. Its not the first time diaz has lost a match he should of won.

Post #13   8/27/08 8:18:17AM   

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Posted by Sam_Rothstein


Posted by jiujitsufreak74


Posted by Sam_Rothstein


The only way noons wins the rematch is if diaz is stupid enough to try and box him again. I don't see that happening again though.



well what take down ability do you think DIaz has to get the fight to the ground? he has some of the worst take downs in MMA, i don't see him getting this to his world.




Well im not saying hes gonna get noons down on his first take down attempt, but when he does get this fight to the ground its over before it started.

I mean Diaz only went for 1 or 2 takedowns in that fight vs noons and it happened after he realized he might of took the fight too lightly. Its not the first time diaz has lost a match he should of won.



He "should" have won? Why, because he was more known than Noons? You are starting to sound like the Elite XC promotional team.

Post #14   8/28/08 6:41:45PM   

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Posted by warglory


Posted by nickcuc547

great article, noons knows the last fight he got lucky. diaz always takes some shots early on in fights, and he usually weathers the storm and takes over when his opponent gets tired.



BS, Noons was destroying Diaz in their fight and would have finished it had the ref not put a stop to it.



Well I don't know your definition of destroying is (because that was far from it) but I have seen Diaz take a LOT worse and still win. I don't think Noons has the tools to beat Diaz in a fight and I don't think he would have won the first fight if it wasn't for it getting stopped because of a cut.

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