SHOGUN/ RAMPAGE verbal agreement for DECEMBER |
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prozacnation1978
MMA Sensei
Career record: 174-77
Season: 49-21 (#254)
Location: san diego
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i won't take rampage vs wandy but i will take him to beat shogun
crazy!!!
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Post #31 8/24/08 8:14:25PM
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breakdown5
Standup Guy
Career record: 168-79
Season: 51-19 (#94)
Location: Hell (Upstate NY)
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This fight is sweet. I don't think the UFC is letting either of these two go, no matter who wins this fight. Whoever wins will be on their way to the title, loser goes back down the ladder. But the UFC would be stupid to let these two go, they are both top ten in the LHW class. I'm stoked for this fight.
Shogun will win if his knees hold up. Shogun Rd. 2 Tko after he shakes off a little rust in the first.
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Post #32 8/24/08 10:21:50PM
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Kimbo Slice's Punchout!
Career record: 204-116
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Posted by jakeiceman
Posted by grappler0000
Posted by dust
Posted by grappler0000
Posted by dust
... This time he's responsible for the death of an almost living human.
Miscarriages can happen for a multitude of reasons...I don't think it would be fair to jump to that conclusion just yet.
You're delusional.
Did you even see the damage to her car? I wasn't there, so you can enlighten me if you know something I don't, but her car looked to have been sideswiped at best.
Both of you are only considering physical damage, what about emotional stress?? You guys are both thinking that the impact didnt look bad so therfore it wouldnt have been enough to force a miscarriage......but how scared to you think she was when this happened? I imagine that if I was a pregnant mother I would be terrified. High stress levels are easily enough to cause her to miscarriage.
No, I was merely pointing out that it's not a for sure thing...the only reason I mention the damage to the car is that it's minor enough to cause me some doubt. Everybody wants to think they know every detail to the story, when that's probably not the case.
Edit: and emotional stress is a very difficult thing to prove as being the cause.
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Post #33 8/24/08 10:25:47PM
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Obey The Stank-Nasty
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Season: 43-26 (#1754)
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Posted by Pitbull09
This is going to be the comparison of Afflictions Banned card. They might as well call it UFC: Banned cause the card is going to be even more stacked than last years
No, this card should be called something a bit more straight forward, like
UFC: Afflicted
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Post #34 8/24/08 10:43:19PM
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MaxOne
MMA Regular
Career record: 121-92
Season: 24-29 (#4780)
Location: San Diego
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Posted by Aether
Hell for all we know her husband could've gone home and kicked her in the stomach seeing an opportunity to make a lot of money. There are genuinely people who would do that kind of thing.
that's certainly most likely what happend.
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Post #35 8/24/08 11:47:13PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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Posted by MikeyG
Posted by Wolfenstein
Posted by cmill21
Stupid fight, Rampage should fight a mid range known fighter and Shogun should be fighting someone in the same area. One is coming off obvious personal problems and the other is coming off two knee surgeries.
Is that really what you want to see? I'd rather watch Rampage vs Shogun instead of say James Irvin vs Shogun and Rampage vs David Heath. That's what's great about MMA. We get good fights, not build up fights that we pay $50 for.
the point is it looks like zuffa is trying to dismantle one of their careers, both coming off losses, this could potentially end their title runs or UFC careers, i want to see it but this is a terrible time to have this fight, they should be bulding shogun up, hes one of the most exciting of all time and he could go 0-2 in the UFC, and rampage is the former champ, how would that look if he lost 2 in a row like chuck did, they really need to give these guys easier fights, yes i understand the need for these guys to fight the best but its their careers at stake, only taking tough fights make you less resilient in the future, i wont go into examples but this is not an ideal matchup in 2008, maybe 2009 or 2010, i hope rampage takes some time off to be honest.
AND they dont fight for you, they fight for themselves, fighters dont have to impress anybody, they go out and do their jobs, like i siad only fighting world class matches makes you less resilient, and more prone to injury, if you really cared about these guys youd realize that.
everything I see you say is such nonsense. We should give them easy fights because if they lose their careers will be over? lol? How would it look if he lost 2 in a row like chuck? It would probably look the same way it did when Chuck did it. Pretty sure he's almost definitely next in line for a title shot, and is nowhere near the end of his career. Losing 2 fights against top5 competition will, at the worst, drop you to the lower end of the top10. Top ranked fighters don't have their careers destroyed by losing to other top ranked fighters.
You're not going to go into examples because there are no examples to support what you're saying. Probably the closest thing you could come up with would be Crocop, who left the UFC by his own choice, and has been told he can come back whenever he feels like it. He was also still ranked in the top10 even after his loss to kongo.
If you cared about these fighters you would realize that NO world class fighter wants to be fed cans to protect his public image. The entire point of this sport is to challenge yourself against the best, that's what they want. Most injuries happen in training, not in fights, fighting top competition doesn't really make you any more prone to injuries.
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Post #36 8/25/08 8:35:47AM
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Aether
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Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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Posted by MaxOne
Posted by Aether
Hell for all we know her husband could've gone home and kicked her in the stomach seeing an opportunity to make a lot of money. There are genuinely people who would do that kind of thing.
that's certainly most likely what happend.
Go ahead and show me in the post where I said that is what most likely happened please. You can't because that isn't what I said, is it? What I said is that there are about a million other things that can cause a miscarriage, there is absolutely no proof that it was a result of the crash. The phrase "for all we know" indicates that it is a remote and unlikely possibility, the point of the comment is to indicate that anything could have happened.
You've basically proved that you can't argue against what I said by taking a small fragment of an entire post out of context, and then telling me it says something that it doesn't.
Your response is a:
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Post #37 8/25/08 8:43:57AM
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Boo_Radley21
MMA Sensei
Career record: 137-92
Season: 44-25 (#1016)
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So no more Rampage vs Wanderlei? Oh well, I will take Rampage over Shogun too.
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Post #38 8/25/08 10:30:40AM
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Laying down the beats
Career record: 192-150
Season: 37-33 (#1810)
Location: Canada
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I can't believe you guys are still bickering about the miscarriage. Saying that Rampage was cause is no different than saying the woman is an opportunist. Either opinion is fine and I think it's fine to have one. I have mine on the issue.
As far as the fight goes, I think this is the fight that has Dana salivating over. This fight is marketable and the outcome (whatever it may be) is marketable.
The UFC gets to play on Rampages search for redemption (against Shogun and just to get beck to his winning ways). If Shogun wins, he is set up to avenge a loss to Forrest. If If Rampage wins, well it's a show in for a rematch.
I see Shogun taking this based on his fighting style and Rampage's mental state. If Quinton thinks Forrest's leg kicks hurt him, wait until Shogun lays one on him.
If Shogun wins, I see no reason for him not to be victor against Forrest as well.
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Post #39 8/25/08 10:52:03AM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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I'm NOT saying the woman is an opportunist, I'm saying that no one here knows ANYTHING about the situation so to draw conclusions is ridiculous because any number of things could have happened. Not one single person here can claim they have even a vague idea of what the truth is. In a democracy people are innocent until proven guilty. Opinion is completely irrelevant, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of facts which no one here is aware of.
Not one single person on these forums has even close to enough information to make claims like "Rampage took a human life" or to say that "there's no way Rampage caused the miscarriage." Choosing either side is _retarded_. That's my entire point. Absolutely no one here knows anything about what happened other than what they read in a 2 paragraph article on a sports website, but for some reason everyone is acting like they are the doctor who examined the woman.
I'll argue until I'm blue in the face quite frankly because people are essentially labeling someone a murderer based on judgment made in the complete absence of knowledge.
Many people around here need English reading comprehension courses. I don't mean that sarcastically or as an insult. It's actually kind of frightening to me how many people can read a simple paragraph and then several paraphrased clarifications, and still not understand what is being said.
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Post #40 8/25/08 11:46:46AM
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kaduey
Standup Guy
Career record: 223-124
Season: 44-26 (#347)
Location: Canada
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Posted by MikeyG
Posted by Wolfenstein
Posted by cmill21
Stupid fight, Rampage should fight a mid range known fighter and Shogun should be fighting someone in the same area. One is coming off obvious personal problems and the other is coming off two knee surgeries.
Is that really what you want to see? I'd rather watch Rampage vs Shogun instead of say James Irvin vs Shogun and Rampage vs David Heath. That's what's great about MMA. We get good fights, not build up fights that we pay $50 for.
the point is it looks like zuffa is trying to dismantle one of their careers, both coming off losses, this could potentially end their title runs or UFC careers, i want to see it but this is a terrible time to have this fight, they should be bulding shogun up, hes one of the most exciting of all time and he could go 0-2 in the UFC, and rampage is the former champ, how would that look if he lost 2 in a row like chuck did, they really need to give these guys easier fights, yes i understand the need for these guys to fight the best but its their careers at stake, only taking tough fights make you less resilient in the future, i wont go into examples but this is not an ideal matchup in 2008, maybe 2009 or 2010, i hope rampage takes some time off to be honest.
AND they dont fight for you, they fight for themselves, fighters dont have to impress anybody, they go out and do their jobs, like i siad only fighting world class matches makes you less resilient, and more prone to injury, if you really cared about these guys youd realize that.
Why would Zuffa try to dismantle their careers? They are 2 of the best fighters in 205 division so it would be completely logical to match them against eachother. If you want to watch gimme fights go watch boxing. The idea of mma is to see who is the best fighter in the world.
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Post #41 8/25/08 1:15:40PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by Aether
everything I see you say is such nonsense.
what a coinsidence, everthing i read from you is straight up trolling
Posted by Aether
We should give them easy fights because if they lose their careers will be over? lol?
interesting, i say COULD and you interperet is as if im saying its set in stone, learn to read bro, since you seem to be the wizard of knowing whats up any telling everything their wrong, can i borrow your crystal ball?
Posted by Aether
How would it look if he lost 2 in a row like chuck? It would probably look the same way it did when Chuck did it. Pretty sure he's almost definitely next in line for a title shot, and is nowhere near the end of his career.
whoa, nostradomus strikes again, lets not get ahead of ourselves chuck hasnt won anything yet
Posted by Aether
Losing 2 fights against top5 competition will, at the worst, drop you to the lower end of the top10. Top ranked fighters don't have their careers destroyed by losing to other top ranked fighters.
now the troll wizard gets to his point, the trolling stopped right around here, but wait theres more...
Posted by Aether
You're not going to go into examples because there are no examples to support what you're saying. Probably the closest thing you could come up with would be Crocop, who left the UFC by his own choice, and has been told he can come back whenever he feels like it. He was also still ranked in the top10 even after his loss to kongo.
hmm, really? i didnt give an example.... maybe you shouldnt babble so much
Posted by Aether
If you cared about these fighters you would realize that NO world class fighter wants to be fed cans to protect his public image. The entire point of this sport is to challenge yourself against the best, that's what they want. Most injuries happen in training, not in fights, fighting top competition doesn't really make you any more prone to injuries.
plenty of fighters might say they dont but in this sport your record counts when it comes to title shots, there not gonna give a 19-12 record guy a title shot just because he can beat 2 or 3 top 10s in a row, the 12 losses count, and yes only fighting top competition will reduce your resilience, thats a no brainer, you could fight top competition for 10 years but fight cans for 30, look at travis fulton, so your little attempt to bash yet another post has failed, time to go find that punching bag i told you to get.
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Post #42 8/25/08 1:49:39PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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basically what I read in that giant post was
"I don't have a legitimate response"
repeated about 6 times.
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Post #43 8/25/08 1:51:53PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by kaduey
Why would Zuffa try to dismantle their careers? They are 2 of the best fighters in 205 division so it would be completely logical to match them against eachother. If you want to watch gimme fights go watch boxing. The idea of mma is to see who is the best fighter in the world.
I didnt say I wanted gimme fights, but they are needed to give the fighters momentum, you people who have no fighting experience just dont understand that, a "can" or two is needed sometimes, and thats what upsets are made of, this isnt boxing, the biggest underdog can win, so your argument is flawed, and no the UFC dosnt have all the best fighters so we'll never know whos really the best in every weight, so nice try dude
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Post #44 8/25/08 1:54:31PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by Aether
basically what I read in that giant post was
"I don't have a legitimate response"
repeated about 6 times.
the troll strikes again
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Post #45 8/25/08 1:55:32PM
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