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jocka
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Posted by copcopps
Nobpdy's perfect and BJ ain't the exception. He''s a good fighter but IMO he can has a bit of that Diaz mentality where he thinks the world owes him a living even though he's a rich kid. Plus he was so mean to Andy Wang :(
BJ dosnt make the matches so I dont see why people say fighters pick their fights or think that the org. owes them, he dosnt have control.
And seriously, look me in the face and tell me Andy didnt deserve that mental assault.
Are you serious, you honestly think that huge popular fighter don't have a saying in their matches, they would not want a guy like BJ or GSP or Henderson Silva leave the Ufc so of course if BJ wants to fight GSP they will give him GSP since GSP publicly stated that he would not duck anyone so there you go. I think BJ should defend his title first but hey this fight is gonna be sick
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Post #46 8/24/08 12:41:10PM
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Diamondback2
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Posted by copcopps
BJ dosnt make the matches so I dont see why people say fighters pick their fights or think that the org. owes them, he dosnt have control.
And seriously, look me in the face and tell me Andy didnt deserve that mental assault.
As i stated before, with BJ the org doesn't have the control. If BJ does not liek what hes getting he can up and leave, ala after Penn/Hughes I.
BJ does not need to fight. He dosent need the fans, he dosent need the UFC, he dosent need anything. he's set for life, he does not owe anyone anything.
it's not like Chuck where the UFC and the fans made him a millionare, BJ was rich from sqaure one.
and if BJ leaves that's a total disaster for the UFC. they have alot of money in him, hes a HUGE PPV draw. It's actually quite opposite, Penn dosen't need the UFC, the UFC needs him.
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Post #47 8/24/08 12:43:18PM
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jocka
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Posted by Diamondback2
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Posted by Franklinfan47
I think your definately right about him only taking fights that can benefit himself. The guy defends his title once then decides he doesnt want to fight at lw anymore. What happend to the integrity of the belt
actually he never defended his title, he won the interim title against stevenson and then got the real tittle against Sherk. But i do agree that he needs to defend his title multiple times before moving up
Im surprised you come to sites like this, and would not know something basic like that.....
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The reason am saying that he did not defend his title is because Sherk Technicly lost his title via drug test not in the cage so what BJ was holding was a paper belt since he never defended the champ. He dominated Sherk there is not doubt that he is the champ but yet as he defended it
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Post #48 8/24/08 10:15:00PM
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Diamondback2
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Posted by jocka
The reason am saying that he did not defend his title is because Sherk Technicly lost his title via drug test not in the cage so what BJ was holding was a paper belt since he never defended the champ. He dominated Sherk there is not doubt that he is the champ but yet as he defended it
I am a man of facts. And the facts very clearly state that Sean Sherk was stripped of his title for using steroids. So thus the BJ/Stevenson fight which was originally supposed to be for the Interm title was made into a full title fight.
According to your theroy, Frank Mir is still the true Heavyweight champ because no one beat him in the cage for it.
Or The winner of Mir/Nogeriua is not the champ because they did not beat Couture for it, and thus can never defend it if Randy does not come back.
Or even that Anderson Silva is truly the Interm Middleweight Champ, because no one ever beat Frank Shamrock was never beaten for it so Frank Shamrock is the Real UFC Middleweight Champion. 
"actually he never defended his title, he won the interim title against stevenson and then got the real tittle against Sherk."
You stated this as a fact, but it is not no matter how much you wish it was. If you had put somehing along the lines of "In My Opinion" or "As far as i am concerned" it would have been a different story.
I'm big on facts, and the FACTS CLEARLY state that BJ HAS defended the UFC Lightweight Title At UFC 84 on May 24. 2008 against Sean Sherk.
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Post #49 8/24/08 10:35:06PM
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jocka
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Posted by Diamondback2
Posted by jocka
The reason am saying that he did not defend his title is because Sherk Technicly lost his title via drug test not in the cage so what BJ was holding was a paper belt since he never defended the champ. He dominated Sherk there is not doubt that he is the champ but yet as he defended it
I am a man of facts. And the facts very clearly state that Sean Sherk was stripped of his title for using steroids. So thus the BJ/Stevenson fight which was originally supposed to be for the Interm title was made into a full title fight.
According to your theroy, Frank Mir is still the true Heavyweight champ because no one beat him in the cage for it.
Or The winner of Mir/Nogeriua is not the champ because they did not beat Couture for it, and thus can never defend it if Randy does not come back.
Or even that Anderson Silva is truly the Interm Middleweight Champ, because no one ever beat Frank Shamrock was never beaten for it so Frank Shamrock is the Real UFC Middleweight Champion.
"actually he never defended his title, he won the interim title against stevenson and then got the real tittle against Sherk."
You stated this as a fact, but it is not no matter how much you wish it was. If you had put somehing along the lines of "In My Opinion" or "As far as i am concerned" it would have been a different story.
I'm big on facts, and the FACTS CLEARLY state that BJ HAS defended the UFC Lightweight Title At UFC 84 on May 24. 2008 against Sean Sherk.
Well it was stated as my opinion but you assumed that i was stating facts, In fact BJ defended his tittle against Sherk thats true. If you want to be a FACT person you should know that NOG is the interim Champion not the HW Champion Randy Couture is and thats from the UFC site.
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Post #50 8/26/08 4:05:00PM
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mkiv9secsupra
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Posted by Diamondback2
I am a man of facts. And the facts very clearly state that Sean Sherk was stripped of his title for using steroids. So thus the BJ/Stevenson fight which
I'm big on facts, and the FACTS CLEARLY state that BJ HAS defended the UFC Lightweight Title At UFC 84 on May 24. 2008 against Sean Sherk.
was originally supposed to be for the Interm title was made into a full title fight.
Or The winner of Mir/Nogeriua is not the champ because they did not beat Couture for it, and thus can never defend it if Randy does not come back.
if you want to talk facts....then the fact is BJ has never defended the undisputed lightweight championship. He defended his interim championship against Sherk to determine the undisputed champion......thats how interim titles work
and technically Randy Couture is and always will be the UFC's HW champ until they officially strip him or he fights Nogueira
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Post #51 8/26/08 4:23:29PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by jocka
Posted by MikeyG
Posted by copcopps
Nobpdy's perfect and BJ ain't the exception. He''s a good fighter but IMO he can has a bit of that Diaz mentality where he thinks the world owes him a living even though he's a rich kid. Plus he was so mean to Andy Wang :(
BJ dosnt make the matches so I dont see why people say fighters pick their fights or think that the org. owes them, he dosnt have control.
And seriously, look me in the face and tell me Andy didnt deserve that mental assault.
Are you serious, you honestly think that huge popular fighter don't have a saying in their matches, they would not want a guy like BJ or GSP or Henderson Silva leave the Ufc so of course if BJ wants to fight GSP they will give him GSP since GSP publicly stated that he would not duck anyone so there you go. I think BJ should defend his title first but hey this fight is gonna be sick
Well he can request fights and in they like the fighter (in this case they like BJ) they will probably make them, but he himself cant make them. I agree its an epic superfight. Good luck to both of them.
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Post #52 8/26/08 5:51:47PM
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Diamondback2
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
if you want to talk facts....then the fact is BJ has never defended the undisputed lightweight championship. He defended his interim championship against Sherk to determine the undisputed champion......thats how interim titles work
and technically Randy Couture is and always will be the UFC's HW champ until they officially strip him or he fights Nogueira
BJ Penn Wikipedia
Sean Sherk Wiki
The title that BJ won against Joe was the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION!!!! For the last time.
I understand how interm titles, and the fight against Joe Stevenson was for THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION
UFC 80 Website
Go to indepth Videos > Penn vs Stevenson.
THE FIRST LINE OUT OF DANA'S MOUTH:
"This fight between BJ Penn and Joe Stevenson is for the Lightweight Championship of the UFC. Now, Sean Sherk was found guilty, he's been suspended by the CSAC. Because of that we stripped him of his title. So BJ and Joe are fighting for the lightweight championship."
I cannot really believe I am having this argument, for real guys check your facts, this discussion has Gotten WAYYYYY off point.
And I agree Randy is the champ until he is stripped. The general consensus is that prior to the December card the UFC will strip him of his title and make Mir and Nog for the undisputed title. If it dosent happen that way, i stand corrected but that is what everyone is saying.
And Jocka: Where did you EVER once state that was your opinion. It was stated as a fact, seriously. Show me where you said it was an opinion and i will show you the value of the imaginary number A.
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Post #53 8/26/08 7:51:02PM
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Posted by Diamondback2
Posted by mkiv9secsupra
if you want to talk facts....then the fact is BJ has never defended the undisputed lightweight championship. He defended his interim championship against Sherk to determine the undisputed champion......thats how interim titles work
and technically Randy Couture is and always will be the UFC's HW champ until they officially strip him or he fights Nogueira
BJ Penn Wikipedia
Sean Sherk Wiki
The title that BJ won against Joe was the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION!!!! For the last time.
I understand how interm titles, and the fight against Joe Stevenson was for THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION
UFC 80 Website
Go to indepth Videos > Penn vs Stevenson.
THE FIRST LINE OUT OF DANA'S MOUTH:
"This fight between BJ Penn and Joe Stevenson is for the Lightweight Championship of the UFC. Now, Sean Sherk was found guilty, he's been suspended by the CSAC. Because of that we stripped him of his title. So BJ and Joe are fighting for the lightweight championship."
then why did the event commercial say interim title?
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Post #54 8/26/08 8:34:33PM
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jocka
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Posted by Diamondback2
Posted by mkiv9secsupra
if you want to talk facts....then the fact is BJ has never defended the undisputed lightweight championship. He defended his interim championship against Sherk to determine the undisputed champion......thats how interim titles work
and technically Randy Couture is and always will be the UFC's HW champ until they officially strip him or he fights Nogueira
BJ Penn Wikipedia
Sean Sherk Wiki
The title that BJ won against Joe was the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION!!!! For the last time.
I understand how interm titles, and the fight against Joe Stevenson was for THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION
UFC 80 Website
Go to indepth Videos > Penn vs Stevenson.
THE FIRST LINE OUT OF DANA'S MOUTH:
"This fight between BJ Penn and Joe Stevenson is for the Lightweight Championship of the UFC. Now, Sean Sherk was found guilty, he's been suspended by the CSAC. Because of that we stripped him of his title. So BJ and Joe are fighting for the lightweight championship."
I cannot really believe I am having this argument, for real guys check your facts, this discussion has Gotten WAYYYYY off point.
And I agree Randy is the champ until he is stripped. The general consensus is that prior to the December card the UFC will strip him of his title and make Mir and Nog for the undisputed title. If it dosent happen that way, i stand corrected but that is what everyone is saying.
And Jocka: Where did you EVER once state that was your opinion. It was stated as a fact, seriously. Show me where you said it was an opinion and i will show you the value of the imaginary number A.
i agree that we are way off topic but if you want to play on words where did i say that what i was saying was facts??
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Post #55 8/26/08 8:35:58PM
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Diamondback2
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Posted by mkiv9secsupra
then why did the event commercial say interim title?
you must have saw the old commercial.
sherk was stripped on 12/9/08 according to wikipedia. before that, it was for the interm title.
and if i remember right it took a week or two for them to change the commercials.
and jocka ask any english professor
"actually he never defended his title, he won the interim title against stevenson and then got the real tittle against Sherk"
is a statement....
and you went so far as to correct someone. you said it as a fact, you didnt mean in your opinion. it's ok shit happens, i make mistakes too. lets just drop it, this is pointless.
getting back on point i dont think its unfair to florian. a title shot is never OWED to anyone unless they have beat every single other fighter. at least Florian is fighting a top fighter unlike Fitch.
If Florian beats Joe "Daddy" it only further valadates him as a true title contender.
If he loses, he is still only 2 good fights away from a title shot.
When Fitch beat Wilson it really didn't matter, I dont think about anyone figured Wilson could win.
If Fitch would have lost it would have set him back 3-4 fights from a title shot for sure.
Honestly I am finally a Florian fan. I finally started liking him a bit after Lauzon, but when he beat Huerta and then turned around and took the Joe "Daddy" fight like 2 weeks later, HUGE  . This is how fighters should be IMO, they should not feel that the Org owes it to them, The "Fine you want me to wait like 6-8 months for a title shot? I'll just fight someone else in the meantime than!" mentality that makes a fighter sweet in my books.
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Post #56 8/26/08 9:05:20PM
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JBatch
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I love BJ he is charismatic and an amazing fighter but I only got one beef with the guy.
He wasted years of his talent, he will always be the prodigy, with not training, not taking things seriously and not fighting as often as possible.
I think he has now realized that and is trying to make up for lost time. BJ is and will continue to be the best LW fighter in the world for maybe years to come. I do not think however that he will beat GSP. Can't wait to see the betting line on that fight.
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Post #57 8/27/08 12:04:10PM
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jocka
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Posted by Diamondback2
and jocka ask any english professor
"actually he never defended his title, he won the interim title against stevenson and then got the real tittle against Sherk"
is a statement....
and you went so far as to correct someone. you said it as a fact, you didnt mean in your opinion. it's ok shit happens, i make mistakes too. lets just drop it, this is pointless.
am all for dropping this lol no problems there and by the way english is not my first language so it is a big possiblity that i ll make mistakes
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Post #58 8/27/08 12:14:33PM
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cowcatcher
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im not trying to add fuel to the argument here, but with all this quoting of wikipedia i have to say something. wikipedias articles are written by anyone and everyone, and often times should be taken with a grain of salt, so anyone that uses wiki as their main source of evidence in an argument doesnt exactly have concrete proof of anything. for 2 months if you wiki'd my name(which a major league ball player shares with me, im older though) it said that i was the greatest man ever created and all kinds of other truths about me, but some clown ended up putting this ballplayers info in there and now my contribution is gone. point is, just about anything can get printed there and it doesnt mean its true......except the parts about me being great
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Post #59 8/27/08 12:18:52PM
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jocka
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Posted by cowcatcher
im not trying to add fuel to the argument here, but with all this quoting of wikipedia i have to say something. wikipedias articles are written by anyone and everyone, and often times should be taken with a grain of salt, so anyone that uses wiki as their main source of evidence in an argument doesnt exactly have concrete proof of anything. for 2 months if you wiki'd my name(which a major league ball player shares with me, im older though) it said that i was the greatest man ever created and all kinds of other truths about me, but some clown ended up putting this ballplayers info in there and now my contribution is gone. point is, just about anything can get printed there and it doesnt mean its true......except the parts about me being great
I agree with you and i was about to write that but i said i'd drop it lol
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