What to DISLIKE about BJ Penn |
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Posted by Franklinfan47
The fans. The fans are the whole reason he even has a job. And while I can't speak for everyone, I think alot of fans would like to see a solid lw champion for a little while, including multiple title defenses. There was no champ for the longest time then the new champ tested for roids. I'd personally like to see some dam integrity brought back to that belt.
We all know Penn and GSP will fight again sometime down the road, but for now, can't Penn put his pride aside for a bit and stay at lw while the ufc builds a solid division around him? Just one fans opinion.
Edit: and also, he should consider the opinion of the organization that made him a star. I'm sure the ufc doesnt want one guy holding two of their belts and slowing up the title fight process, not to mention, deterring from their own visions for the direction of the company.
He owes the fans nothing really. He doesn't fight for us, he fights for whoever pays him.
I never understood the need to defend titles. As long as fighters are fighting fights, then I am happy. I could care less about titles. They are for the fighters not the fans, IMO.
The only reason he should consider the vision of his employer is because they pay his salary. Other than that, if he wants to risk going and doing his own thing, that's his prerogative.
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Post #31 8/20/08 9:23:24PM
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Diamondback2
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Posted by Rush
He owes the fans nothing really. He doesn't fight for us, he fights for whoever pays him.
I never understood the need to defend titles. As long as fighters are fighting fights, then I am happy. I could care less about titles. They are for the fighters not the fans, IMO.
The only reason he should consider the vision of his employer is because they pay his salary. Other than that, if he wants to risk going and doing his own thing, that's his prerogative.
Yeah it's up to the fighter. Could not agree more. 
And here's what you are all forgetting about BJ. He does NOT need to fight. Ever..... He never has to do anything again...... He could retire tomorrow and live very comfortably.
But BJ Penn = $$$$$$. Thus the UFC does not really have much control over him. If he doesn't get what he wants he can up and leave. Imagine if Penn left UFC for Affliction how bad that would be for the UFC. Don't think he would o it? He did once already after he beat Hughes.
That's why you shouldn't dislike the guy. He is choosing to fight GSP, who is on pretty much everyone's Top 3 list. He could fight Florian, but why? Florian already has the Stevenson fight which is a great #1 contender match. PLus Florian is on virtually no one's top 10 P4P lists. Which victory would mean more in the long run? Florian or GSP...... People still talk very avidly about the first fight, but if BJ steamrolls thru Florian (like i'm pretty confident he will) will anyone remember it?
Let's face it, Penn//GSP II could be one of the greatest fights ever. I know any fight can, but this fight has alot more possibility of being FOTY than Penn/.Florian.
As fans we've talked about a match between 2 fighters on top 5 p4p forever, Penn's really trying to make it happen!
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Post #32 8/20/08 11:14:38PM
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BIGKAT
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bj is daaaaaaaa mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
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Post #33 8/21/08 12:03:55AM
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IU believe his statements on taking the WW and MW titles were included in Countdown to UFC 84. Can't think off the top where he mentioned Wanderlei, but I'll look around.
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Post #34 8/21/08 12:10:04AM
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VictimSix
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That's why you shouldn't dislike the guy. He is choosing to fight GSP, who is on pretty much everyone's Top 3 list. He could fight Florian, but why? Florian already has the Stevenson fight which is a great #1 contender match. PLus Florian is on virtually no one's top 10 P4P lists. Which victory would mean more in the long run? Florian or GSP...... People still talk very avidly about the first fight, but if BJ steamrolls thru Florian (like i'm pretty confident he will) will anyone remember it?
Let's face it, Penn//GSP II could be one of the greatest fights ever. I know any fight can, but this fight has alot more possibility of being FOTY than Penn/.Florian.
As fans we've talked about a match between 2 fighters on top 5 p4p forever, Penn's really trying to make it happen!
Good post. From the start Bj has wanted to fight the best guys, belts don't matter, weight dosn't matter. Thats something to respect imo. I don't know why anybody would want to wait for Penn/Gsp, they are at the top of their game RIGHT NOW. Sure I would like to see him defend the belt I guess but I mean come on, Penn/KenFlo or Gsp. I think the people that are crying for these two to clean out the divisions just don't want their respective boy to loose.
Maybe I'm just jaded from being a boxing fan for so long but I don't give two sh*ts about belts.
Belts=ppv buys. The best wanting to fight the best is what fighting is all about.
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Post #35 8/21/08 7:42:51AM
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the_01
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I wanna see Kenny Florian vs. BJ Penn, and I personnaly believe Florian will take the decision. If, by all means, Penn wins, then maybe he can get a shot at GSP.
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Post #36 8/21/08 8:33:58AM
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Aether
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Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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Posted by the_01
I wanna see Kenny Florian vs. BJ Penn, and I personnaly believe Florian will take the decision. If, by all means, Penn wins, then maybe he can get a shot at GSP.
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Are you for real?
Kenny is a great fighter but... man... would you honestly pick kenny florian to win? There is nothing kenny is better at than BJ... maybe elbowing people? I don't think that would matter because there's no situation where kenny could plausibly use elbows. If he goes to the ground he'll get dominated, highly unlikely he'll gain a dominant ground position to utilize his elbows against someone with BJ's level of Jiu Jitsu. Of course on the feet elbows are not exactly the most effective weapon, and BJ's boxing is vastly superior.
I'm not flaming or anything, but I don't see any way you could possibly justify that pick. Can you break down the fight to explain more clearly?
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Post #37 8/21/08 8:44:46AM
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Posted by The_Italian_Stallion
You know what I hate about BJ? His perfectly spherical baby head...
But in all seriousness I absolutely can't stand the blood licking thing! It peeves me to the core every time I see it. All the people who are whining about Brock's little lasso dance need to shut their mouths because I bet you 80 percent of them have BJ in their top 3 favorites and yet they have nothing to say about his disgusting little celebration thing.
Also I hate his cockiness and selfishness but I understand that's his thing in marketing or whatever.
I hated BJ so much before I bought and watched TUF 5 but since then I actually can stand him most of the time. (Minus the stupid blood thing) One of my favorite moments of TUF 5 was when he impersonated Wang crying... it makes me laugh every time I think of it.
I still don't like him, but I definetly respect him now...
you kidding me?....BJ Penn licking the blood off his opponents is expected from him....what we hated about Brock was that he acts like a "Humbled Country Boy" before the fight...and even after he lost to Mir....NO,but when he wins!...he starts dancing around like a 300LB gorilla in a fight the other guy had no chance.......Its like.."Pick on someone your own size"....He's just like Matt Hughes.....
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Post #38 8/21/08 9:13:10AM
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Aether
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Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
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to me the reason it was different is that licking blood, playing guitar, dancing, jumping on the cage etc. etc. doesn't involve directly demeaning your opponents. I didn't really even have a problem with the lasso, people refer to the lasso every time they make this argument but they conveniently leave out the parts where he openly points and laughs as well as the time where he sits on his back and pretends to ride him like a horse WHILE THEY'RE FIGHTING.
To me these things aren't even close to being comparable. BJ licking blood off his gloves might be disgusting to some people from a sanitary point of view, but it's really not insulting or demeaning to his opponents. If he walked up to them and licked the blood off of their face or something I would definitely be calling BJ a disrespectful idiot.
I find people who defend brock's antics generally only ever talk about the lasso action which is really not what people found to be disrespectful. He can throw invisible lassos all he wants, sitting on an opponents back in an attempt to demean them and make them look like an animal is not the same thing.
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Post #39 8/21/08 12:06:43PM
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VictimSix
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Posted by the_01
I wanna see Kenny Florian vs. BJ Penn, and I personnaly believe Florian will take the decision. If, by all means, Penn wins, then maybe he can get a shot at GSP.
If he couldn't deal with Sherks wrestling how is going to deal with Bj's wrestling along with his jits? Also as much as I like Joe Rogan im really sick of hearing how Florians standup is "outstanding". Improved yes, outstanding, not even close. How do you think Florian takes this?
I can't even see Bj gassing in this fight, if he starts to get tired he can just stay on the outside and nail solid jabs all night long 'cause Florian will most likley come in with a striking game plan. A fight I wouldn't mind seeing but throw sombody in there that will actually test and possibly beat Bj.
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Post #40 8/22/08 8:42:54AM
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breakdown5
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There is nothing to dislike about BJ Penn. He is legend. He gets fans pumped for his fights and is a great fighter. Get over it.
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Post #41 8/22/08 2:31:38PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by breakdown5
There is nothing to dislike about BJ Penn. He is legend. He gets fans pumped for his fights and is a great fighter. Get over it.
exactly, end of thread right there
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Post #42 8/22/08 2:48:07PM
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Smooth
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Nobpdy's perfect and BJ ain't the exception. He''s a good fighter but IMO he can has a bit of that Diaz mentality where he thinks the world owes him a living even though he's a rich kid. Plus he was so mean to Andy Wang :(
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Post #43 8/22/08 3:47:03PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by copcopps
Nobpdy's perfect and BJ ain't the exception. He''s a good fighter but IMO he can has a bit of that Diaz mentality where he thinks the world owes him a living even though he's a rich kid. Plus he was so mean to Andy Wang :(
BJ dosnt make the matches so I dont see why people say fighters pick their fights or think that the org. owes them, he dosnt have control.
And seriously, look me in the face and tell me Andy didnt deserve that mental assault.
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Post #44 8/22/08 3:54:42PM
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VictimSix
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Posted by copcopps
Nobpdy's perfect and BJ ain't the exception. He''s a good fighter but IMO he can has a bit of that Diaz mentality where he thinks the world owes him a living even though he's a rich kid. Plus he was so mean to Andy Wang :(
Diaz scraps for every dollar he's made, I don't see that as a bad mentality to have as far as earning a living goes.
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Post #45 8/24/08 10:51:15AM
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