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Is how many are picking BJ Penn. These are two of my favorite fighters. I have GSP ranked 3 pound for pound and BJ close at number 4. And I would not be surprised if BJ won but I am taking GSP. Everyone saw the first fight. Let me ask you something. Try doing anything with 1 eye closed. Now try fighting like that. Ask Heath Herring how it's like fighting like that. BJ Penn only won that first round cause of an eye poke. It was accidental I think, but he badly poked his eye, one of the most damaging I have ever seen in that fight. I figured it over for GSP. But he clearly won round 2 and round 3 with 1 only being able to see out 1 of his eyes. Dont people realize had he not gotten an illegal eye poke he would have handled BJ better. And since then, both have improved but is'nt it pretty obvious that GSP has improved more. His loss to Serra was fluke. I normally dont like saying fights are a fluke but that was a fluke. The rematch proved that. My point is it was a close fight, but GSP winning a close fight after what he had done to him, why would he then struggle against BJ with a more level playing field. Its hard for me to fathom why so many are picking BJ. Its not that I dont think much of BJ, I think he is one of the greatest fighters ever. Its just that GSP is a bit better. To me I think the issue is whether or not GSP will beat him in a decision or finish him early. I say decision.
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Post #1 8/18/08 8:49:23PM
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Regardless of who the majority pick it'll be a war! Bj and GSP are two of the most complete fighters in the world today.
I would go with a GSP UD or if its a title fight 4 or 5 round TKO. BJ is a amazing fighter and without doubt one of the best to ever walk the earth but I think GSP got this one in the bag.
Their first fight was close but if it hadn't have been for the broken nose I think it wouldn't have been. GSP did something in that fight that I'v never seen done before.. He controlled BJ. GSP has only got better since they fought and has been with some great trainers, not to mention he's fought a lot more, fought tougher competition and dominated.
I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park but i think GSP's got this in the bag.
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Post #2 8/18/08 9:07:39PM
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Posted by Dooletchetoreh
Is how many are picking BJ Penn. These are two of my favorite fighters. I have GSP ranked 3 pound for pound and BJ close at number 4. And I would not be surprised if BJ won but I am taking GSP. Everyone saw the first fight. Let me ask you something. Try doing anything with 1 eye closed. Now try fighting like that. Ask Heath Herring how it's like fighting like that. BJ Penn only won that first round cause of an eye poke. It was accidental I think, but he badly poked his eye, one of the most damaging I have ever seen in that fight. I figured it over for GSP. But he clearly won round 2 and round 3 with 1 only being able to see out 1 of his eyes. Dont people realize had he not gotten an illegal eye poke he would have handled BJ better. And since then, both have improved but is'nt it pretty obvious that GSP has improved more. His loss to Serra was fluke. I normally dont like saying fights are a fluke but that was a fluke. The rematch proved that. My point is it was a close fight, but GSP winning a close fight after what he had done to him, why would he then struggle against BJ with a more level playing field. Its hard for me to fathom why so many are picking BJ. Its not that I dont think much of BJ, I think he is one of the greatest fighters ever. Its just that GSP is a bit better. To me I think the issue is whether or not GSP will beat him in a decision or finish him early. I say decision.
I just rewatched the fight 2 days ago, Bj won the first rd but GSP definitly won rd 2-3. Clearly BJ inflicted more damage but only in the first rd, he also gave GSP a eye poke which is why he was able to inflict that much damage. After the fight GSP mentionned that it took a whole rd for him to start seing something again so. Am not sure why it was called as a split decision it should of been a UD but thats what happend when you let it go to the judges.
On the plan of who improved the more i have to agree that GSP improved a lot more than BJ did. He was able to take BJ down in the first fight it was tuff be he still did it, his takedown are at least twice as good as they were back then so in my opinion he will be able to take him down. I think that he will do the same thin as he did with fitch, stand up a bit then take him down and then continu to stand up again take him down, he will try to make BJ think about the takedown when they are standing up.
In my opinion the fight will look like the fitch fight but i do believe that GSP will finish BJ this time
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Post #3 8/18/08 9:07:54PM
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Franklinfan47
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Posted by Dooletchetoreh
Is how many are picking BJ Penn. These are two of my favorite fighters. I have GSP ranked 3 pound for pound and BJ close at number 4. And I would not be surprised if BJ won but I am taking GSP. Everyone saw the first fight. Let me ask you something. Try doing anything with 1 eye closed. Now try fighting like that. Ask Heath Herring how it's like fighting like that. BJ Penn only won that first round cause of an eye poke. It was accidental I think, but he badly poked his eye, one of the most damaging I have ever seen in that fight. I figured it over for GSP. But he clearly won round 2 and round 3 with 1 only being able to see out 1 of his eyes. Dont people realize had he not gotten an illegal eye poke he would have handled BJ better. And since then, both have improved but is'nt it pretty obvious that GSP has improved more. His loss to Serra was fluke. I normally dont like saying fights are a fluke but that was a fluke. The rematch proved that. My point is it was a close fight, but GSP winning a close fight after what he had done to him, why would he then struggle against BJ with a more level playing field. Its hard for me to fathom why so many are picking BJ. Its not that I dont think much of BJ, I think he is one of the greatest fighters ever. Its just that GSP is a bit better. To me I think the issue is whether or not GSP will beat him in a decision or finish him early. I say decision.
Agreed on all points.
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Post #4 8/18/08 9:24:43PM
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seanfu
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The GSP Serra 1 fight wasn't a fluke by any means. Get that one straight. Unless you count getting caught a fluke. Go tell that one to Rampage or Chucky. Serra had a superior plan on the standup and GSP thought he was the shit (which he is). He got caught, back of the head, but he was rocked several times and was dead even in the striking. [rant over]lol 
Also, I think it's a pretty clear cut decision win for GSP. The question to me isn't who will win, but A- will GSP get caught (in a sub) B- assuming he doesn't get caught will he be able to finish BJ?
I don't see a possible way for GSP to drop a decision in this fight. GSP would rough BJ up on the ground with his far improved, far superior wrestling game. Not that BJ has a weak wrestling game, just that he isn't as strong and big.
GSP's size would win on the ground or standing. No jabbing game likely to succede for BJ. Who is the superior fighter? In top mental and physical shape I say Penn actually, but the size will be crucial to such an even technical and mental matchup.
Even if BJ uses his super gumby coordination and flexibility to keep the thing standing I don't see a possibility of him knocking GSP the **** out as smokey would say so elegantly. And yes, I am bored off my ass. lol
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Post #5 8/18/08 9:32:19PM
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TS i completely agree.
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Post #6 8/18/08 9:52:00PM
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Chuteboxer
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Posted by jocka
Posted by Dooletchetoreh
Is how many are picking BJ Penn. These are two of my favorite fighters. I have GSP ranked 3 pound for pound and BJ close at number 4. And I would not be surprised if BJ won but I am taking GSP. Everyone saw the first fight. Let me ask you something. Try doing anything with 1 eye closed. Now try fighting like that. Ask Heath Herring how it's like fighting like that. BJ Penn only won that first round cause of an eye poke. It was accidental I think, but he badly poked his eye, one of the most damaging I have ever seen in that fight. I figured it over for GSP. But he clearly won round 2 and round 3 with 1 only being able to see out 1 of his eyes. Dont people realize had he not gotten an illegal eye poke he would have handled BJ better. And since then, both have improved but is'nt it pretty obvious that GSP has improved more. His loss to Serra was fluke. I normally dont like saying fights are a fluke but that was a fluke. The rematch proved that. My point is it was a close fight, but GSP winning a close fight after what he had done to him, why would he then struggle against BJ with a more level playing field. Its hard for me to fathom why so many are picking BJ. Its not that I dont think much of BJ, I think he is one of the greatest fighters ever. Its just that GSP is a bit better. To me I think the issue is whether or not GSP will beat him in a decision or finish him early. I say decision.
I just rewatched the fight 2 days ago, Bj won the first rd but GSP definitly won rd 2-3. Clearly BJ inflicted more damage but only in the first rd, he also gave GSP a eye poke which is why he was able to inflict that much damage. After the fight GSP mentionned that it took a whole rd for him to start seing something again so. Am not sure why it was called as a split decision it should of been a UD but thats what happend when you let it go to the judges.
On the plan of who improved the more i have to agree that GSP improved a lot more than BJ did. He was able to take BJ down in the first fight it was tuff be he still did it, his takedown are at least twice as good as they were back then so in my opinion he will be able to take him down. I think that he will do the same thin as he did with fitch, stand up a bit then take him down and then continu to stand up again take him down, he will try to make BJ think about the takedown when they are standing up.
In my opinion the fight will look like the fitch fight but i do believe that GSP will finish BJ this time
uh...dude...if GSP couldn't finish Fitch he's definitely not finishing BJ unless he gets BJ in the same position that Hughes got him in in their rematch...
I used to think BJ would blow GSP away in a rematch...now I'm not so sure. I'm thinking decision. A split one, maybe, for GSP.
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Post #7 8/18/08 10:10:10PM
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Depends on how BJ does in the later rounds, as it always has. He may take a round or two, but it depends on how he does in rounds 3-5, if it gets there.
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Post #8 8/18/08 10:13:15PM
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Depends on how BJ does in the later rounds, as it always has. He may take a round or two, but it depends on how he does in rounds 3-5, if it gets there.
I agree...I'd take GSP by decision in a 5 rounder, but possibly BJ in a 3 round fight.
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Post #9 8/18/08 10:20:19PM
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Posted by jocka
Posted by Dooletchetoreh
Is how many are picking BJ Penn. These are two of my favorite fighters. I have GSP ranked 3 pound for pound and BJ close at number 4. And I would not be surprised if BJ won but I am taking GSP. Everyone saw the first fight. Let me ask you something. Try doing anything with 1 eye closed. Now try fighting like that. Ask Heath Herring how it's like fighting like that. BJ Penn only won that first round cause of an eye poke. It was accidental I think, but he badly poked his eye, one of the most damaging I have ever seen in that fight. I figured it over for GSP. But he clearly won round 2 and round 3 with 1 only being able to see out 1 of his eyes. Dont people realize had he not gotten an illegal eye poke he would have handled BJ better. And since then, both have improved but is'nt it pretty obvious that GSP has improved more. His loss to Serra was fluke. I normally dont like saying fights are a fluke but that was a fluke. The rematch proved that. My point is it was a close fight, but GSP winning a close fight after what he had done to him, why would he then struggle against BJ with a more level playing field. Its hard for me to fathom why so many are picking BJ. Its not that I dont think much of BJ, I think he is one of the greatest fighters ever. Its just that GSP is a bit better. To me I think the issue is whether or not GSP will beat him in a decision or finish him early. I say decision.
I just rewatched the fight 2 days ago, Bj won the first rd but GSP definitly won rd 2-3. Clearly BJ inflicted more damage but only in the first rd, he also gave GSP a eye poke which is why he was able to inflict that much damage. After the fight GSP mentionned that it took a whole rd for him to start seing something again so. Am not sure why it was called as a split decision it should of been a UD but thats what happend when you let it go to the judges.
On the plan of who improved the more i have to agree that GSP improved a lot more than BJ did. He was able to take BJ down in the first fight it was tuff be he still did it, his takedown are at least twice as good as they were back then so in my opinion he will be able to take him down. I think that he will do the same thin as he did with fitch, stand up a bit then take him down and then continu to stand up again take him down, he will try to make BJ think about the takedown when they are standing up.
In my opinion the fight will look like the fitch fight but i do believe that GSP will finish BJ this time
uh...dude...if GSP couldn't finish Fitch he's definitely not finishing BJ unless he gets BJ in the same position that Hughes got him in in their rematch...
I used to think BJ would blow GSP away in a rematch...now I'm not so sure. I'm thinking decision. A split one, maybe, for GSP.
That does not make any sense if GSP did not finish Fitch he would not finish BJ. Jon Fitch has a lot of heart and should get credit for not getting knocked out. Lyoto Machida did not finish Sam Hoger, so by that logic he should not finish Sokoudojou. But what happened. He very clearly finished Sokodojou. And Sokoudoujou is amazing. That logic does not work. Do you see what I am getting at hometown.
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Post #10 8/18/08 10:30:28PM
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Not to be an a55 but the first fight has nothing to do with the second. GSP is twice the fighter now than he was then. I just cant see BJ crusing to a win like he does at 155. GSP is a MW fighter at 170. Cant see BJ out striking Rush and dont think it will go to the ground. GSP will (T)KO Penn if this fight happens.
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Post #11 8/19/08 12:13:56AM
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JohnnyNapalm
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The only major weak spot in Penn's game has been his conditioning. If Penn gets himself in top shape then I believe he has a shot at beating GSP. If not, it's going to be ugly for Penn.
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Post #12 8/19/08 2:54:58AM
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mrkennedy
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gsp by late tko or by decision
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Post #13 8/19/08 3:41:55AM
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Like what's an A55. Interested to know.
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Post #14 8/19/08 9:48:57AM
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Aether
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I understand picking gsp, I don't really understand picking him by TKO. BJ has been TKOed once in his entire career and it was because of a severe rib injury, not because he just got legitimately KOed. GSP also didn't come anywhere close to a TKO in the first fight and has failed to finish far less durable fighters than BJ.
People keep saying "GSP has improved" as though BJ hasn't. I don't get some of the arguments people present. I would probably pick GSP, but some people's arguments for their choices don't make much sense to me.
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