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Lesnar Vs Fedor??
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Fedor would probably win. But not for sure win, probably win. If Brock catches Fedor with a shot like he did against Herring he very well can win right there. Is Matt Lindland a great striker folks? Look what he did to Fedor on the first punch. I would pick Fedor, but totally I would not be surprised if Lesnar won it. I am not a Lesnar fan and I root against him, but its time to stop putting his WWE days in the picture. The fact is he has a great chance to beat anybody in the world. It sucks but its true.
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Post #31 8/18/08 5:21:33PM
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warglory
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When I wrote about Randleman, Coleman and Ogawa, I was talking about how Fedor has done against wrestlers, not how Lesnar has done. I don't know where I lost you, so I'm not sure how to clarify further.
From my perspective, bringing up Fedor's wins over otherwise effective wrestlers, is in direct correlation to how well he'd do against Lesnar since you made the comparison in a Lesnar vs Fedor thread. But whatever, it's not a big deal.
How Lesnar would handle a wrestler has no bearing on how he would handle Fedor. How Fedor has handled wrestlers in the past has something to do with how he would handle Lesnar. I know I'm repeating myself, but I don't know what needs explanation.
What I am trying to tell you is Fedor's record against wrestlers is completely and utterly irrelevant, because there has never been a wrestler with the size and strength advantage that Lesnar has, so Fedor's background is useless.
No. It isn't. Cro Cop is nothing like Mark Coleman. Lesnar is something like Mark Coleman.
This is true, but the effectiveness of your comparison between Fedor's wins against wrestlers is about as effective as saying Fedor would smash CroCop because he smashed Mark Coleman. Simply put, it's a bad comparison.
Okay, so explain how this tells us something about a matchup with Fedor, because it isn't readily apparent.
Incidentally, Jake O'Brien dominated Herring in much the same way that Lesnar did, just not so much, and without breaking his eye socket just after the opening bell.
Jake had 9 straight wins PRIOR to coming into the UFC and facing Herring, yet his win wasn't half as dominant as Lesnar's in only his third professional fight. Show me an example of a fighter who has demonstrated the unbridled power that Lesnar had shown in his last fight.
No, you're saying that Fedor's past fights against wrestlers don't provide insight into how he would handle a wrestler.
No, I'm saying they don't provide incite into how he would handle Lesnar, big difference there.
Oh, I see now. You think Lesnar is something that MMA has never seen before. Um... Er...
Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. Can you think of anyone that even remotely compares to Lesnar past or present?
Yeah, I remember. Trigg was shouting "Shut! Up!" in disbelief, which I thought was really funny. That was a crazy fight. Hunt made it more than 8 minutes with Fedor before getting caught in a submission. I think he surprised the heck out of everybody. Props to him. I don't see how this is supporting Lesnar's position, though. It seems to suggest that being bigger and stronger than Fedor means that... um... that you'll get caught in a submission.
Look beyond the submission and look to what led to that submission. A kickboxer, with very little ground game (as professed by Hunt himself), held Fedor down, CONTROLLED him, and locked in a kimura. Did he do this with finesse? No, he did it with raw power and a will to succeed. Hunt's only undoing was his inexperience on the ground. If Hunt had trained maybe even a year in BJJ prior to taking this fight, I think he would have had a good chance of finishing Fedor. Now, Lesnar has shown he is FASTER than Hunt standing up (albeit much less sophisticated) with incredible ground skills which Hunt did not have. Not to mention Lesnar is much stronger than Hunt is. How is this not supporting Lesnar's position?
By your logic, Jake O'Brien would give Fedor a tough fight.
No, Jake O'Brien isn't as strong or as good of a wrestler as Lesnar is. There isn't much correlation between Jake and Brock besides them both beating Herring.
I don't think Fedor would take Lesnar lightly; I think he'd submit him in the first round.
You know, if Lesnar fought Fedor tomorrow I don't think I'd disagree with that, but give Lesnar 6 months of BJJ training, and it would be a completely different story.
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Post #32 8/18/08 11:16:59PM
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