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Posted by wiggum
franklin has fought at hw coming up, so no, he has not always been the bigger stronger fighter in his wins....franklins striking is more refined and powerful and quicker than bispings and is more boxing orientated which is better for takedown defense than kickboxing orientated like bispings is ...
Rich's striking is very awkward and leaves many holes defensively when he strikes, to say that he is more refined than bisbing is innaccurate
Posted by wiggum
his submissions are better than anybodys than hamill has faced....basically what im getting at is this is the best fighter hamill has ever faced, wether he's coming up in weight or not.....
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Posted by wiggum
hamill has improved striking, but its still piss-poor...just cuz someone is better at something than they used to be, doesnt mean they are good at it....
I disagree but this is a subjective opinion so theres nothing i can really say to change your mind here, agree to disagree
Posted by wiggum
and also hes strength is average for lhw, his wrestling is top notch, but is only effective against other wrestlers boetsch, forbes holman etc..
Totally innaccurate, His wrestling is only effective against other wrestlers? Hes only fought a handful of fighters and each one he took down. When you wrestle a wrestler it is harder than wrestling someone who doesnt wrestle. Simple as that.
And where did you get that he just has average strength? Hes been stronger than everyone hes ever faced.
Posted by wiggum
with bisping, who is no bjj master and probably has less submission game than franklin, he got his offense nullified after he worked for the takedown....plus franklin has great scramblin abilities and will able to get off his back more often than not when and if the takedown happens....
true but i dont think itll make that big of a difference
Posted by wiggum
finally and this is the all important part of the whole matchup: franklin is a champion, hes been in the big shows and been with the big dawgs and has the big dawg experience and will train like a champ and come up with a champions game plan...ooohhh he lost to to two people who just so happen to be 2 of the top 10 lb 4 lb fighters on the planet.....whats hamill done? nothing....hes a young pup in the game and has a long way to go....2nd tko win for ace
You know Franklin has only beaten 1 top ten fighter in his entire career right? 
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Post #46 8/15/08 8:42:26PM
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MikeyG
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Posted by jt209164
Posted by MikeyG
Why do people assume Matt is dumb because hes deaf?
I dont see anyone but you bringing the fact that he's deaf into the conversation, it doesnt even belong here. It's no merit to his fighting abilities.
its needed for a response like that, lol
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Post #47 8/15/08 10:03:25PM
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I think the biggest factor in this fight is if Franklin isn't afraid of being taken down and lets his hand go and mixes it up. Hamill definately has some power in his hands, but Franklin still needs to keep it standing up. I think the edge goes to Franklin in the stand up, but if and when it gets to the ground he will have some problems with Hamills strength, size and wrestling ability. I think there's a lot of upset potential for Franklin. But I think Franklin will catch him shooting in and ground n pound him out... probably in the 2nd round.
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Post #48 8/16/08 4:46:59PM
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Posted by wiggum
finally and this is the all important part of the whole matchup: franklin is a champion, hes been in the big shows and been with the big dawgs and has the big dawg experience and will train like a champ and come up with a champions game plan...ooohhh he lost to to two people who just so happen to be 2 of the top 10 lb 4 lb fighters on the planet.....whats hamill done? nothing....hes a young pup in the game and has a long way to go....2nd tko win for ace
You know Franklin has only beaten 1 top ten fighter in his entire career right?
Im sure people where making arguments that tanner and lousiou (sp) where top ten at the time he beat them. Okamis top ten no doubt, and some people even had jason mcdonald in the top ten when rich stomped him (not that i agree with that)
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Post #49 8/16/08 11:37:44PM
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Posted by wiggum
finally and this is the all important part of the whole matchup: franklin is a champion, hes been in the big shows and been with the big dawgs and has the big dawg experience and will train like a champ and come up with a champions game plan...ooohhh he lost to to two people who just so happen to be 2 of the top 10 lb 4 lb fighters on the planet.....whats hamill done? nothing....hes a young pup in the game and has a long way to go....2nd tko win for ace
You know Franklin has only beaten 1 top ten fighter in his entire career right?
dude...he beat Travis Fulton...c'mon
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Post #50 8/17/08 1:06:51PM
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Posted by wiggum
finally and this is the all important part of the whole matchup: franklin is a champion, hes been in the big shows and been with the big dawgs and has the big dawg experience and will train like a champ and come up with a champions game plan...ooohhh he lost to to two people who just so happen to be 2 of the top 10 lb 4 lb fighters on the planet.....whats hamill done? nothing....hes a young pup in the game and has a long way to go....2nd tko win for ace
You know Franklin has only beaten 1 top ten fighter in his entire career right?
Im sure people where making arguments that tanner and lousiou (sp) where top ten at the time he beat them. Okamis top ten no doubt, and some people even had jason mcdonald in the top ten when rich stomped him (not that i agree with that)
Actually by the most recognizable rankings of the time( mma weeklys) , Tanner was # 2, ans Loiseau was 5 or 6 ( cant remember exactly which one just the argument I heard about it) , and Okami definitely was in the top 10 everywhere I looked .I also believe Franklins beating of him , in such a one sided fashion, is what made Loiseau tentative now . I think the same thing happened to Page when Chute box took it to him repeatedly, and he needed to change almost everything about his whole life to regroup and come back stronger. Maybe the same will help David, who knows? Now rankings are subjective of course, and people will have their own, but overall it's a falsehood for anyone to suggest that the general MMA media didn't highly rank at least 3 of the fighters he beat at the time he beat them.
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Post #51 8/17/08 1:42:05PM
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These are two classy classy guys. I root for both. I am expect Hamill to win.
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Post #52 8/17/08 11:08:52PM
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Franklin will test Matt's chin... And Hammill will test Rich's TD def... Size really doesn't matter in this case, I think both fighters will be about the same size...
I've seen Rich handle wrestlers TD's pretty well before, maybe not someone as good as Hammill, but he has decent TD's... And I really can't see Rich getting dotted up by that piston jab that Hammill's got like Bisping did... Rich is too smart of a fighter...
What really interests me in this fight is a few things... Not so many years ago, Rich Franklin was givin a fight with Ken Shamrock, I think at the first FN... That fight in conjuncture with coaching on TUF was what propelled him to stardom... Now there's the chance for a young up and comer with an interesting and endearing background to fight the established Rich Franklin and propell himself into stardom the same way...
The only question is how will it be done? Rich TKO'd Shammy, in all honesty, Rich beat the living snot out of Shammy... If Hammill can do the same, then you have a new star... If it's a lackluster LnP dec, then not so much...
Conversley, if Rich can own the standup, which I think he can, and somehow get a wobbled Hammill on his back, I see an easy TKO for Franklin and a pretty decent welcome to the LHW scene
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Post #53 8/18/08 10:19:14AM
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Franklin is a good fighter, but I think Hamill will impose his size and he will have Franklin on his back most of the time. Rich has somewhat of a questionable chin also. He's been dropped several times in big fights and think hes going to be overwhelmed by Matt. Hamill tko 2nd.
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Post #54 8/18/08 10:30:24PM
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Posted by jawbreaker517
Franklin is a good fighter, but I think Hamill will impose his size and he will have Franklin on his back most of the time. Rich has somewhat of a questionable chin also. He's been dropped several times in big fights and think hes going to be overwhelmed by Matt. Hamill tko 2nd.
yes but look who dropped him....Anderson Silva. other than that Rich has pretty much dominated the competition the UFC has thrown at him, including Okami who is a very powerful and dangerous MW.
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Post #55 8/18/08 10:33:43PM
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by jawbreaker517
Franklin is a good fighter, but I think Hamill will impose his size and he will have Franklin on his back most of the time. Rich has somewhat of a questionable chin also. He's been dropped several times in big fights and think hes going to be overwhelmed by Matt. Hamill tko 2nd.
yes but look who dropped him....Anderson Silva. other than that Rich has pretty much dominated the competition the UFC has thrown at him, including Okami who is a very powerful and dangerous MW.
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exactly!
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Post #56 8/20/08 12:42:40PM
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Mhunt1140
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See this is a very interesting fight and from what I have seen so far many people have made very valid point in defending their decisions. For me this is a very difficult fight to call because I am a big fan of both fighters. To start things off, most are comparing this fight for the Bisping/Hamil fight in which pretty much everyone agrees Hamil should have won.
I do think that Rich is far beyond Bisping in the cage and I do agree with the idea that Rich is the best fighter that Matt has ever fought, while on the other hand Rich has been in the with the best of the best!
Hamil has come a long way since the beginning but he is still pretty inexperienced. Yes his striking is 1000% better but it is still average at best where Franklin's is top notch. Also on the ground Rich is miles ahead of where Matt is so there is an advantage there.
Yes Matt is an amazing wrestler but Rich does has some pretty good takedown defense and will definitely use his quickness to scramble. I just don't see Matt dominating this fight. I see him being able to take Rich down but then things come to a stalemate or even Rich will take advantage of the ground game. Also I see Rich slowly picking apart Matt on the feet.
My prediction is Rich by UD.
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Post #57 9/1/08 8:14:28PM
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mikevolz
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You know Franklin has only beaten 1 top ten fighter in his entire career right?
lets not bring ken shamrock into this discussion.
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Post #58 9/1/08 8:45:49PM
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
Rich was smaller than okami. Franklin has some decent takedown defense, also rich has better striking and i think that will overcome hamill's wrestling and inexperience in the cage. I think rich will win by UD because i dont see either guy finishing each other.
Much better than the other post. I think Rich and Okami are about the same height (Okami maybe 1" taller) but Rich is definitely the stronger fighter. He has to walk around much heavier than Okami does. Rich does have decent takedown defense, but so did Bisping. I think Hamill will win a UD the way wrestlers usually do in the UFC.
take Rich's gas tank into account, i do not think Hammill has any where near the cardio rich has, Hammill will do well and score a few takedowns in the first and maybe the second but by late second to early 3rd round, franklin will start landing punches and hard punches at that, he will buckle hammill for a late 2nd rnd early 3rd rnd TKO
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Post #59 9/1/08 10:06:17PM
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Im gonna go with Matt i mean all the guy does is plow through the competition they put in front of him, Franklin hasnt look the same ever since Silvas made him look silly maybe this is a fresh start at LHW but i hate to tell him it aint any easier up with the big boys. Hamill UD
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Post #60 9/1/08 10:10:51PM
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