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TheHitmanTL
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6 3 and 265 + pounds
he is athletic as hell but hes still like a ball of clay. This man has room for sooo much improvement and i hate the fact that people diss him for being in the wwe but hes different from the rest of all those other entertainers. he actually has excellent division 1 wrestling achievements. brock is the ultimate athlete IMO. i was actually surprised by how fast he moves for a man of his size i was just like wow that is one scary dude. theres been all these threads all over the net saying brock> fedor and all this stuff and i dont buy it because if brock and fedor were matched up to fight in a couple of months....fedor would tap his ass out in the 1st round. BUT give brock some time and ill bet he beats fedor. i think he would beat couture as is cus his style is just fit to beat couture. but honestley who in the HW division can stop one of brocks takedowns?? i dont think anybody can cus a 6 3 265 pound + with his athletic ability and wrestling experience....theres just no way. alls brock needs to do is work on his standup and JJ sub defense and then were gonna see a reign of terror on the HW division. give the man about 4 or 5 more fights and everyone will realize what im saying. as for his next opponent...i say give him someone talented that he can beat to get his rep up and his experience level. someone like cheick kongo then start giving him people that will give him a run for his money...like werdum or mir again but believe me brock IS the future and will give any fighter a run for their money...even fedor
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Post #1 8/13/08 2:34:40AM
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Posted by TheHitmanTL
6 3 and 265 + pounds
he is athletic as hell but hes still like a ball of clay. This man has room for sooo much improvement and i hate the fact that people diss him for being in the wwe but hes different from the rest of all those other entertainers. he actually has excellent division 1 wrestling achievements. brock is the ultimate athlete IMO. i was actually surprised by how fast he moves for a man of his size i was just like wow that is one scary dude. theres been all these threads all over the net saying brock> fedor and all this stuff and i dont buy it because if brock and fedor were matched up to fight in a couple of months....fedor would tap his ass out in the 1st round. BUT give brock some time and ill bet he beats fedor. i think he would beat couture as is cus his style is just fit to beat couture. but honestley who in the HW division can stop one of brocks takedowns?? i dont think anybody can cus a 6 3 265 pound + with his athletic ability and wrestling experience....theres just no way. alls brock needs to do is work on his standup and JJ sub defense and then were gonna see a reign of terror on the HW division. give the man about 4 or 5 more fights and everyone will realize what im saying. as for his next opponent...i say give him someone talented that he can beat to get his rep up and his experience level. someone like cheick kongo then start giving him people that will give him a run for his money...like werdum or mir again but believe me brock IS the future and will give any fighter a run for their money...even fedor
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you can work on something all you want but until you ve shown that your proficcient at it, just simply working(on bjj) isnt enough to be thrown in there with the best.
I think Brock has potential, but ive learned from my mistakes in this game and i know that as great as someone might seem to be, when they get thrown into a match where they cant control the fight they crumble. Not saying this is a for sure thing with lesnar at all, but there are so many Bjj guys out there that are WAY better than mir off their back that i still dont think brock is championship material at this moment unless he just gets all the right matches and doesnt have to face nog.
- sorry if that was incoherent, ive been drinking diligently.
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Post #2 8/13/08 2:59:06AM
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Lesnar doesn't yet deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Fedor. The potential for him to be a decent MMA fighter is there, but bold claims like "He'll beat Fedor" have no place in a crystal ball yet.
As for him having the tailor made style to beat Randy Couture- I'd like to know how? You have a newbie to MMA with D1 wrestling vs. a veteran who's been tested on every playing field with Olympic level wrestling. How is the former tailor made to beat the latter?
Fair enough if you have points backing up your beliefs, but ridiculous statements and non-facts have trouble finding a foothold in my brain.
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Post #3 8/13/08 8:14:01AM
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Agree with Jack and Pookie, He's got the potential, butTime will tell if he will crumble (ala Mark Kerr) or exceed ...with the exception that I do think Lesnar would beat Couture, Randy has had trouble in the past with the bigger guys in the HW division(reason he dropped to LHW), and Brock is probably the biggest guy he has ever faced. Off his back he is no fish out of water, but he certainly isnt a JJ wizard to say the least. Much like against Herring, Experience wont play much of a factor since the style wise this match up favors Brock. As good as Randy's Wrestling, Brock's is nearly on the same level, add speed + brute strength/size and Brock should have no problem taking the fight to the ground, as for Randy he probably couldnt get a take down (especially being a greco roman, Upper body takedowns would be the hardest way to get him down). Once he gets to the ground, I think Brock would TKO randy Like Barnett did.
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Post #4 8/13/08 8:43:12AM
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i dont like lesnar very much but i think that it is true that he is a tough fight for anyone right now, not to mention in the future as he improves. the fact is that there are very very few men on the planet who combine the power he has with the speed and agility that he has. he has the explosiveness, strength and wrestling to dictate whether the fight takes place standing or on the ground so you have to either knock him out before he gets the takedown or submit him off your back. he is so powerful that submitting him off of your back is going to be very difficult, expecially since im sure he will be training that more than anything else. catching him standing will also be difficult as he has such an explosive shot. that makes him a tough match for anyone in my book. randy would have a very tough time with him imo, as until his fights with tim and gg he has had a tough time with the bigger hw's. he actually has a good style to match up with brock as his greco may make him one of the few guys that could defend the takedown to some extent. that said i dont see him knocking him out, or being able to truly stay on his feet so i think that brock would probably win in all honesty. fedor? fedor is my favorite fighter and i think fedor would find a way for sure, but i dont think it would be any cake walk for him. anyone else? there are definitely guys like nog who could beat him but i think he is a tough match up for anyone. do i like it? no id like him to lose interest because i simply do not care much for him but i think if he stays interested he will be a force in the hw division...
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Post #5 8/13/08 9:58:25AM
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After seeing his last performance, I would include Lesnar in the same sentence as Fedor. Honestly I think Brock would stop Fedor's streak... even as he is now. His defense on the feet and on the ground is excellent. The problem for his opponents, aside from incredible talent, is that hes the biggest possible heavyweight with speed. Most guys his size are lethargic. He's quick and has a great gas tank. Brock is indeed the future, and the present.
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Post #6 8/13/08 10:19:24AM
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jocka
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On saturday when he dropped Herring and realized it did you guys see how fast he charged him damn it looked like somebody stole his luch money wow hes a fast guy. Give him a couple of years to work his hands and sub defence, that guy could indeed be the future
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Post #7 8/13/08 12:22:32PM
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Brock has got all the tools to make it work,but the statment
"Brock is the future"
was described when he first ventured into Pro-Wrestling and the NFL.Neither one of them panned out,but here's hoping 3rd times a charm.
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Post #8 8/13/08 3:57:21PM
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TheHitmanTL
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As for him having the tailor made style to beat Randy Couture- I'd like to know how? You have a newbie to MMA with D1 wrestling vs. a veteran who's been tested on every playing field with Olympic level wrestling. How is the former tailor made to beat the latter?
well randys weakness has always been bigger, stronger, faster heavyweights and thats brock. i remember going to wrestling camp and brock was there teaching and i was drilling with him andi grabbed to be what i thought was his back but it was only his lat muscle lol but i think brock would beat randy just beacuse of the size factor
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Post #9 8/13/08 4:35:20PM
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Cain Velasquez is the future!
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Post #10 8/13/08 4:51:14PM
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He can't even give Frank Mir a run for his money, let alone Fedor.
Maybe we should make a seperate forum just for Brock threads.
who should brock fight next?
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UFC 87 Brock Lesnar analysis
Why are people so hell bent on hating brock?
Lesnar vs Kongo
Brock Lesnar 2 years from now????
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Post #11 8/13/08 5:19:29PM
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MikeyG
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He wont get past the top 5
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Post #12 8/13/08 5:36:41PM
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gsquat
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Posted by luke420187
He can't even give Frank Mir a run for his money, let alone Fedor.
Uh, I"m pretty sure I saw him drop Mir with a punch, pound on him, take him down, and pound on him. That definitely falls under the "run for his money" category.
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Post #13 8/13/08 6:01:10PM
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I don't think he'd beat Fedor or Randy right now but you never know with the power he has he can get lucky. All I have to say is, with the physical gifts he has, if he learns good stand up and subs/defense he will be unstoppable.
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Post #14 8/13/08 6:38:08PM
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The problem with Lesnar's future is that he has too much working against him. One thing is his age. You can only learn so much in the time you're physically able and he doesnt have much room for error now. What if he loses his next fight, or what if he lost his fight with Herring? Id be surprised if Dana or even Brock has the patience for 2 more losses.
Another thing is wear and tear on the body, which goes along with age. Sure WWE is fake but their bodies still get brutalized. How much will he be able to handle in MMA?
Lesnar has all the potential in the world right now, but I think his career is going to fall short before he has a chance to realize that potential. Somewhere between a guy like Gonzaga or Werdum and Big Nog or maybe even Mir again, he'll get submitted. I like Lesnar personally, so I hope I'm wrong.
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