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DoTheMMAth
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Career record: 213-132
Season: 46-22 (#1251)
Location: New York
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Kinda funny to see you reply, considering your avatar is a decapitated head spinning in the air lol.
But yeah... where is the common love of neighbor that existed back in the Leave it to Beaver days?
I honestly don't know how I would have reacted. I can't punch my way out of a paper bag but in the back of my mind I would love to think that I'd armbar whatever arm he was knife-wielding with. How f'd up in the head do you have to be to stab someone you don't even know in the neck then take their head off without any provocation on their part? Yet another incident in the un-ending list of items that take away everyone's faith in humanity 
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Post #16 8/1/08 4:04:32PM
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Hammer of the Gods
Career record: 218-128
Season: 50-20 (#185)
Location: Hudson, NH
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Posted by juanez13
Posted by Svartorm
I also like how the police chief commended everyones bravery, for running off the bus and letting a 19 year old kid be killed. He must be related to the guy who gave General MacArthur the Medal of Honor for retreating.
I think he was Referring to this->
Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV
Great, so 32 ARMED people stood around and waited while someone methodically decapitated a 19 year old boy.
Its odd becuase Hippysmacker and I talked about this on the phone a week or so ago. Honestly, I haven't been in this EXACT situation, but I've been in similar ones, and I can honestly say two things.
1. I never walked away.
2. If I had, I couldn't have lived with myself.
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Post #17 8/1/08 11:58:26PM
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The People's Mod
Career record: 152-91
Season: 47-23 (#137)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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There are those who have been trained to stand up against this kind of activity. Those people have the strength of mind and the presence of mind to make the right decision. Unfortunately, those people are few and far between.
I've been in a lot of scary, scary situations where death was on the line and did happen many a times. People get gripped by fear and it's even worse when they don't realize what's going on. The fight or flight reaction kicks in and for a lot of people who've never been trained one way or another the flight reaction is stronger. Survival is the most basic human instinct.
Apply this thought process to this situation. When it's happening to an outsider you don't know and your own life is at risk it's easy to see why people ran in fear. They protected their own hides because self preservation trumps sacrifice- especially in the case of an unknown being harmed. It's sad but it's very true.
All that being said I honestly can't say what I would have done. Even being a trained martial artist and soldier. I can't imagine myself doing anything but trying to help, but then again, that's the outside looking in. For every time I was blown up by an IED or shot at I reacted differently. Sometimes I had a momentary pause and other times I didn't skip a beat in my reactions. I never froze up, but I saw people I respected (and still respect) freeze up. It can happen and especially when general panic strikes the entire crowd. People feed off the emotions of others around them.
It's a sad testament to society that people wouldn't fight, but it's certainly not the people on the bus who are at fault.
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Post #18 8/2/08 12:40:34AM
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ko-kbo130
MMA Regular
Career record: 100-65
Season: 29-22 (#4441)
Location: long island
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how loud do you have to be snoring to provoke someone to decapitate you..
just kidding.. people are ******* nuts and how does nobody help the poor kid..
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Post #19 8/2/08 12:42:25AM
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Sam_Rothstein
Belt Contender
Career record: 199-116
Season: 47-23 (#450)
Location: Iowa/Minnesota/California
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Posted by Svartorm
Great, so 32 ARMED people stood around and waited while someone methodically decapitated a 19 year old boy.
LOL no shit, props
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Post #20 8/2/08 1:20:20AM
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Hammer of the Gods
Career record: 218-128
Season: 50-20 (#185)
Location: Hudson, NH
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Posted by Jackelope
There are those who have been trained to stand up against this kind of activity. Those people have the strength of mind and the presence of mind to make the right decision. Unfortunately, those people are few and far between.
I've been in a lot of scary, scary situations where death was on the line and did happen many a times. People get gripped by fear and it's even worse when they don't realize what's going on. The fight or flight reaction kicks in and for a lot of people who've never been trained one way or another the flight reaction is stronger. Survival is the most basic human instinct.
Apply this thought process to this situation. When it's happening to an outsider you don't know and your own life is at risk it's easy to see why people ran in fear. They protected their own hides because self preservation trumps sacrifice- especially in the case of an unknown being harmed. It's sad but it's very true.
All that being said I honestly can't say what I would have done. Even being a trained martial artist and soldier. I can't imagine myself doing anything but trying to help, but then again, that's the outside looking in. For every time I was blown up by an IED or shot at I reacted differently. Sometimes I had a momentary pause and other times I didn't skip a beat in my reactions. I never froze up, but I saw people I respected (and still respect) freeze up. It can happen and especially when general panic strikes the entire crowd. People feed off the emotions of others around them.
It's a sad testament to society that people wouldn't fight, but it's certainly not the people on the bus who are at fault.
I can totally see what you're saying, and you definitely have more high-intensity combative experience than myself, but in a way I do consider it the passengers fault for not helping.
I'm very critical (perhaps overly critical) of people and the time they spend on Earth, and I don't think there are very many people who have never had an opportunity to learn combatives. Damn near every school has a wrestling team, some even have boxing and judo clubs, and there are boxing gyms and martial arts studios everywhere you look. In the same way it would be my fault if I cut myself in my kitchen and bled to death because I never learned basic first aid, its a man or womans fault if something like that happens in their presence and they take no action whatsoever, even after being armed and having a moment to sort themselves out.
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Post #21 8/2/08 3:04:41AM
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GREENMAN!!!!
Career record: 134-73
Season: 50-20 (#178)
Location: selden, new york
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the thing is, the guy only had a knife. that's it. you get 2 guys to go up behind him and grab the arm that has the knife and BAM, you got him. i know 100% that i would have done something in that situation and i am sickened that the people left...IN SINGLE FILE!!!!and walked past this mad man as he carved up an innocent boy. that is disgusting to me and i hope that all of those people are haunted by this memory for the rest of their lives. just to imagine the people seeing this happening, deciding to not help and then walk away past the guy while he is calmly murdering another human being is heart wrenching. there is no excuse other than cowardice and selfishness. it is just pathetic. the more and more i think about this the angrier i get.
still can't believe NO ONE did anything on a bus of at least 30 people. really hurts my perspective on the human race.
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Post #22 8/2/08 3:16:34AM
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Keeping the pimp hand strong
Career record: 181-78
Season: 47-23 (#525)
Location: Oklahoma
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/rant on/ As a x-cop I can tell you some people help some people run but I find it disturbing that out of 32 people and not one had a spine. We live in a crazy world and I seen the scum of the earth daily during my time as a cop but running away because you claim your were scared is no accuses for not taking any action to help. Let me put this other way do think they knew it was man he was doing this to and if it was a child or a woman do you think they would have acted any different. You see the people didn't help because they were more worried about helping themselves then helping the 19 year old kid from getting his head cut off. 32 armed people sat outside this bus while this kid was getting killed and did nothing other than keep the killer on the bus. Then you also have to look at it from the victims point of view. Do you think if it was you that you would have cared that they stopped this guy from leaving the bus. NO because you would be dead and you might have lived but because no one took any action to help you your now dead. Trained or not trained it was wrong and for someone to commend them for there bravery just makes it even worse. I cant feel more strongly about this because the family of that kid could give a rats ass that they stopped the guy from leaving the bus what they want to know is why no one helped their son and rightfully so. /rant off/
Posted by DoTheMMAth
Kinda funny to see you reply, considering your avatar is a decapitated head spinning in the air lol.
But yeah... where is the common love of neighbor that existed back in the Leave it to Beaver days?
I honestly don't know how I would have reacted. I can't punch my way out of a paper bag but in the back of my mind I would love to think that I'd armbar whatever arm he was knife-wielding with. How f'd up in the head do you have to be to stab someone you don't even know in the neck then take their head off without any provocation on their part? Yet another incident in the un-ending list of items that take away everyone's faith in humanity
My AV is just that an AV its based from the movie 300 which I happen to be a huge fan of and in no way would I ever cut someones head off unless forced to do so by that person to protect myself or others.
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Post #23 8/2/08 3:41:11AM
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The People's Mod
Career record: 152-91
Season: 47-23 (#137)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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In all honesty the kid was probably long gone before anybody had a chance to do anything. I'm sure he'd been stabbed in the neck several times before anybody had a chance to react. Especially considering he went about it without precluding his actions with shouting.
Everyone has good points. People SHOULD have done something, but they didn't. You can certainly talk trash about the guy calling them "brave" because they absolutely do not deserve that title, but at the same time (I'm sorry if I'll take heat for this) you can't lay a guilt trip on the people that were there. They're probably going to feel that guilt for the rest of their lives already.
We had a dude in my unit who got into some heavy shit on a guard tower. Once the RPG's started hitting his guard tower he dropped his rifle and ran away. (no shit honest to God truth) This guy was a ******* SGT in the U.S. Army and he left a couple of privates and a specialist to fight for themselves on that guard tower. Now THAT mother ****** deserves every label of coward that could ever be given to him. Because it was his job not only as a soldier, but as a ******* SERGEANT to stand in the face of danger and fight.
The difference in that situation and this situation is that again.. he was trained to deal with these situations. Nobody knows what these 32 people on the bus looked like. 16 of them could have been old bags and another 10 could have been young kids. That still leaves 10 able bodied individuals to deal with this guy, sure, but really it's not like there were 32 in shape 16-35 year old males armed with wrenches and crowbars. Which, by the way, when they were armed with crowbars and wrenches was after they had all escaped the bus and then had the weapons handed to them. (At which point the victim was definitely long gone)
So once again- I'm just trying to shed light on the reality of the situation. Yes, everyone here that watches fighting and 50% of whom are fighters or have trained would like to think they would do something. I'm just saying as F'd up as this situation is it's a whole hell of a lot easier to deal with when you're reading a news story online than when you're actually in the situation. Some people could have had their own little kids with them that they needed to protect and get off the bus, etc. etc. There's a lot of variables and I think what needs to be focused on here is first off- the ****** up dude who did this. Second off- the people who stood by and did nothing. As I said before the whole situation (from all angles) is a sad testament to the society we live in. It's also a reason why I believe in the right to bear arms.
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Post #24 8/2/08 10:38:39AM
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Linye
MMA Regular
Career record: 111-57
Season: 13-6 (#6432)
Location: Puerto Rico
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That was a fight between inmortals... a la Highlander.
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Post #25 8/2/08 1:50:25PM
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Naturaldisaster
MMA Sensei
Career record: 172-121
Season: 42-28 (#1393)
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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You would think maybe the people behind the guy would grab him! one person grab him another take the knife, then beat the guys ass! people are so dumb these days.
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Post #26 8/2/08 3:52:57PM
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murphy_16
Standup Guy
Career record: 98-65
Season: 28-23 (#4305)
Location: Carlow, Ireland
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wow help him? the asian guy had a butchers knife the kid was dead long gone you go and try help and he just stabs you and you're dead why would you kill yourself to help a kid who is already dead like man come on if it was you you would of fuking ran i know i would have. the dude has a fuking butchers knife i have nothing if i go in im just gonna get killed to for wat to save a dead kid?
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Post #27 8/2/08 7:37:57PM
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I miss the outside
Career record: 115-64
Season: 45-24 (#281)
Location: 360 Washington State
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This is a very horrible story my prayers go out to the young mans family, before I blame the people to scared to act
Whith that being said.....
Every body is different some people do the right thing and others turn there head
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