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Posted by TOMMYAYO05
i really liked the show and i c them sticking around for competition....i say they need to sign tito ortiz because he has one of the biggest fan bases and he can fight say....babalu?nogueria? i would like to see them sign some top fighters like maybe yamamoto,calvacante,trigg,cung le,frank shamrock, and there is so many other names i can really see them rising if their smart...the top ten heavyweights are mostly there already i believe 5 or 6 are signed so ufc watch out
This has to be the VP guy from Affliction.
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Post #16 7/23/08 12:46:53AM
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Posted by grappler0000
TBH, I'm not sure why Fedor made so little. It was common knowledge that 2M was his asking price...it was confirmed by more than 1 source. The UFC payed Cro-Cop 400k a fight, so I know they are willing to pay more for Fedor than that.
As far as the fighters getting payed well...I'd love to see them get payed that well each and every time, but I don't think Affliction will last long with those high payouts.
I think Fedor has learned that he's not going to get his 2M a fight and was sort of backed into a corner. Also though on all the pay out sheets is said that fighters were also awarded bonuses undisclosed to the press. Fedor could have also got a percentage of the gate or PPV buys to bump up his salary.
Theirs no point saying Dana or the UFC drove him off with the no compete clause in his contract because I can't think of many champions that are allowed to compete in other sports.
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Post #17 7/23/08 8:33:19AM
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Champions are allowed to compete in other sports all the time.All-star games, Olympics come to mind......all fedor wanted was to represent russia in the olympics and Sambo championships. .And for UFC to co-sponsor a show in russia with russian fighters.RUssia is big enough to support its own UFC. Dana is incredibly short-sighted while at the same time being a pioneer.He really confuses me with his actions sometimes. But I really like how he is handling Rampage's situation.
I mean I like Dana and what he's done but aI am extremely happy there is another game in town. All it means is that the UFC will have to put on deeper cards. Hooray Affliction!
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Post #18 7/23/08 9:57:07AM
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Posted by soundboy1
Champions are allowed to compete in other sports all the time.All-star games, Olympics come to mind......all fedor wanted was to represent russia in the olympics and Sambo championships. .And for UFC to co-sponsor a show in russia with russian fighters.RUssia is big enough to support its own UFC. Dana is incredibly short-sighted while at the same time being a pioneer.He really confuses me with his actions sometimes. But I really like how he is handling Rampage's situation.
I mean I like Dana and what he's done but aI am extremely happy there is another game in town. All it means is that the UFC will have to put on deeper cards. Hooray Affliction!
All-Star game are part of the league they are in. Most people in Olympics are amateurs athletes except for like Hockey and Basketball... Your point proves nothing, I thing you should also blame world hunger, war and AIDS on Dana.
I means it's a business he's running, so he needs to have a long term vision and not just focusing everything on little match like Fedor vs Couture. And I think the Affliction card was that deep. Most of the match-up were a experience fighter against a generic/ out of shape fighter. So while, it was fun to watch all to renown fighters it was not the best match up and I was not standing on the edge of my chair watching those match....
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Post #19 7/23/08 10:56:16AM
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Posted by soundboy1
One of Dana's main reasons for not signing Fedor was something along the lines of he wants more money than anyone's ever been paid to fight in the UFC. Where was that crack legal team for Fedor during the Affliction negotiations? Fedor made less than AA and Sylvia. He only made 50 k more than Rothwell! Who lost! The only thing Fedor wanted was to be able to compete in non-MMA events in Russia and Internationally. For whatever reason Dana did not allow that to happen and look at the writing on the wall. There is finally competition for the UFC!  If Affliction can afford to stay in business then Dana better watch out. Who wants to fight for peanuts when people are makig real money at Affliction. I think I am going to buy an Affliction shirt to support the cause!
This entire premise of this thread is wrong, Fedor was the highest paid fighter there according to multiple media sources he made well over a million dollars. This article sines some light on it for you though. Basically he got paid a big signing bonus up front, and a lot of foreign fighters do this stuff in order to pay the majority of their taxes in their home country.
http://mmamania.com/2008/07/26/fedor-gets-more-than-300000-for-win-over-tim-sylvia-at-affliction/
Affliction sure did pay out a lot though, Gives me hope for their future, and mma's as a whole.
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Post #20 7/28/08 8:38:48AM
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But in general Dana is turning MMA into boxing! He created Affliction by not paying his stars correctly!and my point was that fighters should get paid more!
I guarantee that UFC will suffer due to Dana's arrogance.( it already has ask Randy Couture)
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Post #21 7/28/08 10:09:36AM
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I don't think that fighters like Randy, Tito, Chuck, Spider, GSP or Rampage should be paid more making 200 000 to 500 000 per fight plus all the sponsorship and bonus, is enough in my opinion. Fighter who are paid 4 000 to 10 000 per fight should be paid more.
Dana is doing exactly what right not giving into the hype and spend money like mad, and the become boxing or baseball, with player making more money than a small country and playing like asses after.... Or worse become floyd Mayweather Jr...
Also Randy is far from being a victim here, the problem with Randy is not the money, it's breaking a legal contract and his obsession with Fedor. All this so he can get his ass handed to him...
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Post #22 7/28/08 11:31:14AM
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Posted by soundboy1
Champions are allowed to compete in other sports all the time.All-star games, Olympics come to mind......all fedor wanted was to represent russia in the olympics and Sambo championships. .And for UFC to co-sponsor a show in russia with russian fighters.RUssia is big enough to support its own UFC. Dana is incredibly short-sighted while at the same time being a pioneer.He really confuses me with his actions sometimes. But I really like how he is handling Rampage's situation.
I mean I like Dana and what he's done but aI am extremely happy there is another game in town. All it means is that the UFC will have to put on deeper cards. Hooray Affliction!
All-Star game are part of the league they are in. Most people in Olympics are amateurs athletes except for like Hockey and Basketball... Your point proves nothing, I thing you should also blame world hunger, war and AIDS on Dana.
I means it's a business he's running, so he needs to have a long term vision and not just focusing everything on little match like Fedor vs Couture. And I think the Affliction card was that deep. Most of the match-up were a experience fighter against a generic/ out of shape fighter. So while, it was fun to watch all to renown fighters it was not the best match up and I was not standing on the edge of my chair watching those match....
I understand were you're coming from.It is a business,but above all else,it should be looked at as a sport.And Athletes want to compete.
I believe both of you have made valid points on this discussion but in all honesty I believe Fedors management has an agenda,and Dana White has an agenda as well.In the end the two parties were probably both too stuborn to make a legitmate compromise.
I don't think any fans can really complain about the situation now though.Fedor is fighting for Affliction,and their heavy-weight roster is looking good.Even if Affliction only last 3 shows,if Fedor fights and wins on all three,judging from the warm reception he recieved during the Sylvia fight,I think Fedor will be a prime example of how a fighter can create his star status outside of the UFC.
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Post #23 7/28/08 12:58:41PM
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No wonder you are the MMA sensei! You are of course correct. I just have a huge chip on my shoulder when it comes to Dana White. My first experiences enjoying MMA was watching Pride. I eventually started watching UFC and loved it but I just wished Pride champs would fight UFC champs. That would have been great for the fans which in turn is great for the sport.
About 2 years later Zuffa bought Pride. I was so PSYCHED! Finally all the dream matches we had been thinking about for years would happen. Dana even said that he was going to keep Pride functioning. From a business standpoint that made the most sense. He would still have the huge japanese audience plus he could do insane "cross-promotional" fights and we the fans would eat it up.
Instead we got stuck with shows like EliteXC,Affliction,IFL,Dream and bodog............I do like those leagues but I just feel like the talent is spread way too thin,,,,,,
I am glad Dana got most of the Pride fighters I just wish he had got Fedor, hence the long rambling anti-dana posts....
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Post #24 7/28/08 1:40:49PM
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Posted by soundboy1
But in general Dana is turning MMA into boxing! He created Affliction by not paying his stars correctly!and my point was that fighters should get paid more!
I guarantee that UFC will suffer due to Dana's arrogance.( it already has ask Randy Couture)
 You really know how that sounds. Do you really know anything about boxing? For one UFCs pay is based on bonuses. In the UFC even your lowest payed fighter has a chance to make big money because of this. Also in the UFC the pay is more evened out across the board compared to boxing. In boxing your headliner could make 20 mil for one fight while your under card fighters will be lucky to make 1k-3k and have no chance to make anymore no matter how good of a fight they put on. In some Boxing events the losing fighter is lucky to make anything at all. MMA was almost dead in the US till the UFC made TUF. The UFC PAYED SpikeTV just to air the show. This in itself started the UFC boom and like it or not you have Dana to thank for this. Plus Dana talked his friends (the Fertittas) in to buying a company this was almost dead(the UFC) and turned that company in to what it is today. So to say Dana is short-sighted just shows you lack of knowledge of MMA why MMA is growing so much in the US. Also it has been shown that Fedor not signing wasn't just the Sambo issue it was a lot of things. If I ran a company I wouldn't have agreed to those demands either. Fedor's manager was pushing for the UFC to buy M-1, pick up other fighters on the Red Devil team, give Fedor full rights to his video from his fights in the UFC, put on shows in the USSR, let him fight in Sambo, and pay him around 2 mil a fight. I don't know of any company in its right mind that would agree to these terms. I can see an upstart going for this but a company that's already got a foot hold in the market would never agree to this as it will just cause them more problems down the road. So if it wasn't for Dana and the UFC help making what MMA is today we wouldn't even be having this talk because the UFC and Pride both would have folded and you wouldn't have any of these other company's at all.
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Post #26 7/28/08 2:57:34PM
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I can understand the UFC's reluctance to signing Fedor. He doesn't just want money, he seems to have other stipulations. With Affliction he wants to own his own footage so that Affliction has to pay him whenever footage of him is aired. With the UFC he wanted a UFC show in Russia. That may not be a big deal now since the UFC is going the international route, but he's trying to manipulate the way the organization is run. Hey dude you may be the #1 fighter but you're not an owner of the organization and you're not going to force one to hold an event where you choose.
I don't think you can put the blame on Dana. They're control freaks at the UFC, and yeah they should maybe loosen the leash a little, but they're not going to allow fighters to dictate how they operate.
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Post #27 7/28/08 3:22:57PM
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I feel what everyone is saying. But i have my own reasons for hating Dana White. I had no idea so many people were in love with him! But I totally disagree about fighter payouts. Fedor is definitely worth 2 million a fight for now. So is Anderson Silva! If you think about the money that these guys generate for the UFC 2 mil is chump change. There should be some sort of minimum pay scale per fight. Because the thing is the fighters don't see much of their purse at all. And I doubt Condom Depot is paying all that much!
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Post #28 7/28/08 3:37:03PM
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Posted by soundboy1
I feel what everyone is saying. But i have my own reasons for hating Dana White. I had no idea so many people were in love with him! But I totally disagree about fighter payouts. Fedor is definitely worth 2 million a fight for now. So is Anderson Silva! If you think about the money that these guys generate for the UFC 2 mil is chump change. There should be some sort of minimum pay scale per fight. Because the thing is the fighters don't see much of their purse at all. And I doubt Condom Depot is paying all that much!
You just hate Dana because? Come on man you contradicting yourself. First it was Dana lied about how much Fedor wanted because Affliction only payed him 300k which you didn't seam to have a problem with this even if it was rumored that the UFC offered him up to 2-3 mil a fight. But once it was shown that Fedor made well over 2 mil with Affliction Dana doesn't pay his fighters enough. Come on man your hating just to hate. At least if your going to cry wolf have something legit to cry wolf about. I find it funny people talk about fighters getting payed more without knowing anything about how fighters pay works or how the UFC payouts work. Almost every fighter that is in the main event or tittle fights gets a cut of PPV sales some get more than others depending on their contract. Randy is a good example, even coming off back to back KO losses to a LHW He still made well over 1 mil for his fight with Tim when you add in PPV sales and bonuses. But reported pay of Randy was only $250,000.
BTW I don't love Dana I just know what he has done for this sport and I respect that. I don't hate anyone with out very good reason and don't base my dislike on half baked ideas.
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Post #29 7/28/08 4:38:51PM
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Posted by soundboy1
I feel what everyone is saying. But i have my own reasons for hating Dana White. I had no idea so many people were in love with him! But I totally disagree about fighter payouts. Fedor is definitely worth 2 million a fight for now. So is Anderson Silva! If you think about the money that these guys generate for the UFC 2 mil is chump change. There should be some sort of minimum pay scale per fight. Because the thing is the fighters don't see much of their purse at all. And I doubt Condom Depot is paying all that much!
It not about being in love with him. It's about to understand that he is just a guy doing his job and that the fighters have their own agenda too. So fighter won't always have what they want and so is Dana.
I think that 2 millions is too much for a fight, Fighter should win a salary that assure them to live well during and after their career. Not to become big head superstar just in it for the money and not for the noble sport the MMA is...
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