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soundboy1
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One of Dana's main reasons for not signing Fedor was something along the lines of he wants more money than anyone's ever been paid to fight in the UFC. Where was that crack legal team for Fedor during the Affliction negotiations? Fedor made less than AA and Sylvia. He only made 50 k more than Rothwell! Who lost! The only thing Fedor wanted was to be able to compete in non-MMA events in Russia and Internationally. For whatever reason Dana did not allow that to happen and look at the writing on the wall. There is finally competition for the UFC!  If Affliction can afford to stay in business then Dana better watch out. Who wants to fight for peanuts when people are makig real money at Affliction. I think I am going to buy an Affliction shirt to support the cause!
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Post #1 7/22/08 5:05:10PM
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Mattchoo
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You'd better get buying then, with pay days like that I dont see them sticking around for much longer,
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Post #2 7/22/08 5:11:37PM
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Kimbo Slice's Punchout!
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TBH, I'm not sure why Fedor made so little. It was common knowledge that 2M was his asking price...it was confirmed by more than 1 source. The UFC payed Cro-Cop 400k a fight, so I know they are willing to pay more for Fedor than that.
As far as the fighters getting payed well...I'd love to see them get payed that well each and every time, but I don't think Affliction will last long with those high payouts.
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Post #3 7/22/08 5:12:44PM
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TWITA
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I don't quite understand the fighter payouts - why would Affliction pay their fighters more than what they earned in ticket sales (over $1M more)? Add in all of the associated costs to host the event and they are out even more cash. So basically they were banking on the PPV sales to earn out this event ... or were they planting a seed to try and get other fighters to come over to Affliction. Interesting - but you can only throw so much $$$ into a black hole before you can't afford to do that anymore.
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Post #4 7/22/08 5:16:36PM
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It had nothing to do with money, The UFC offered Fedor more money than any other company. Problem was that Fedor still wants to compete in other sports (sambo) which could interfere with what the UFC wanted to do with Fedor (in terms of when they wanted him to fight etc...) and the possibility of him getting injured in such competitions could also get in the way (gets injured, cant fight for 6 months, screws the UFC over)...+ other things that Fedor's management wanted (fight in Japan new years eve, hold an event in russia, sign red devil fighters)
Overall i think Dana could have worked around that, but his ego is too big and he cant swallow his pride for once. But the accusations you're making have no truth behind it, even the things i've said were all speculation. Pretty clear you're an Anti-UFC "fan", just taking a shot at the UFC for no real reason, as if there wasnt enough people doing it already.
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Post #5 7/22/08 5:16:53PM
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Posted by TWITA
I don't quite understand the fighter payouts - why would Affliction pay their fighters more than what they earned in ticket sales (over $1M more)? Add in all of the associated costs to host the event and they are out even more cash. So basically they were banking on the PPV sales to earn out this event ... or were they planting a seed to try and get other fighters to come over to Affliction. Interesting - but you can only throw so much $$$ into a black hole before you can't afford to do that anymore.
Gotta spend money to make money. They're main interest was putting on a great show...if they were to break even, then it's a bonus.
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Post #6 7/22/08 5:18:02PM
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TWITA
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Posted by grappler0000
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I don't quite understand the fighter payouts - why would Affliction pay their fighters more than what they earned in ticket sales (over $1M more)? Add in all of the associated costs to host the event and they are out even more cash. So basically they were banking on the PPV sales to earn out this event ... or were they planting a seed to try and get other fighters to come over to Affliction. Interesting - but you can only throw so much $$$ into a black hole before you can't afford to do that anymore.
Gotta spend money to make money. They're main interest was putting on a great show...if they were to break even, then it's a bonus.
Understood. My point is that you can only spend so much money (to make money) before the well runs dry.
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Post #7 7/22/08 5:34:42PM
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soundboy1
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Posted by juanez13
It had nothing to do with money, The UFC offered Fedor more money than any other company. Problem was that Fedor still wants to compete in other sports (sambo) which could interfere with what the UFC wanted to do with Fedor (in terms of when they wanted him to fight etc...) and the possibility of him getting injured in such competitions could also get in the way (gets injured, cant fight for 6 months, screws the UFC over)...+ other things that Fedor's management wanted (fight in Japan new years eve, hold an event in russia, sign red devil fighters)
Overall i think Dana could have worked around that, but his ego is too big and he cant swallow his pride for once. But the accusations you're making have no truth behind it, even the things i've said were all speculation. Pretty clear you're an Anti-UFC "fan", just taking a shot at the UFC for no real reason, as if there wasnt enough people doing it already.
I love the UFC. That's why I wanted Fedor to fight Randy in the Octagon last year. I do not like the way Dana handled the Fedor situation, and then the Randy situation. I feel like he is personally damaging the sport by not allowing cross-promotional fights. It bothers me that Dana let his pride get in the way of the fight that everyone in the world wanted to see. Why couldn't he let Fedor fight his Sambo fights? Sure he could get injured but people get injured in practice all the time. Why not hold an event in russia? What could possibly be the problem with that? I do understand not letting him fight on NYE, but I really don't think that stopped Fedor from signing......And why not sign Red Devil fighters, they are at least as good as some scrub from TUF. Basically I am bitter over the fact that the UFC has this great organization that is going to swallow itself because of its own success.....Dana has done amazing things with the UFC and I respect him for that. But the whole Fedor not signing being Fedor's fault is a bunch of crap. Oh and he is worth 2 million a fight.
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Post #8 7/22/08 5:42:06PM
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I don't quite understand the fighter payouts - why would Affliction pay their fighters more than what they earned in ticket sales (over $1M more)? Add in all of the associated costs to host the event and they are out even more cash. So basically they were banking on the PPV sales to earn out this event ... or were they planting a seed to try and get other fighters to come over to Affliction. Interesting - but you can only throw so much $$$ into a black hole before you can't afford to do that anymore.
Gotta spend money to make money. They're main interest was putting on a great show...if they were to break even, then it's a bonus.
Understood. My point is that you can only spend so much money (to make money) before the well runs dry.
I agree that they are paying their fighters too much, but not because they couldn't recoup the cost from ticket sales...their PPV buys won't be strong enough to cover the difference plus other costs.
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Post #9 7/22/08 5:54:01PM
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soundboy1
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I am sure there is more than a few fighters with contracts almost up that will jump at the chance to fight for real money. I mean these guys train 4 months for a fight and then get paid 10k for a win? That's insane! That's less than minimum wage! Of course there is sponsorships but fighters will still be sponsored and get fair purses. Affliction may fold but at least it gives the fighters negotiating room...
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Post #10 7/22/08 6:02:54PM
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Dana offered more money than anyone. Fedor's other demands kept the contracts from being signed. As if this hadn't been answered a year ago. We shouldn't have to rehash this issue everytime the man fights. He was asking for stuff that noone gets. period. He didn't like that so he didn't sign. Get over it. The most interesting fights for him aren't even in UFC.
You've basically failed at every point you've tried to make.
If you think Dana is personally ruining the sport that he actually built then I don't know enuf words to describe how idiotic that is. I'm sure he doesn't care if you agree w/ his business dec's, and I don't think anyone here does either.
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Post #11 7/22/08 6:08:14PM
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soundboy1
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My point was that Dana White lied to the public when he said that Fedors demands were unreasonable. FIrst of all they were private negotiations. So for anyone to say they know what was discussed is just passing around hear-say.
As I said before why not let Fedor fight his Team Sambo fights? It's just good practice. Dana simply did not want to change the pay structure of the UFC.
I personally think the UFC fighters should get paid 3-4 times what they are being paid now. If a fighter wins a ten thousand dollar purse guess how much he takes home? 40% to uncle sam, 40 or more to his management leaving 15-20% for the fighter wow 2 grand for 4 months of work. Many of the people who are on this site make that or more in a week.
I have a chip on my shoulder about dana because I was a huge Pride fan or as rogan says "the hardcore mma addicts" I never hated or disliked UFC I just considered it inferior.(MY OPINION). But I did respect that they had some good fighters and that between Pride and UFC all the best talent in the world was represented. So it was only natural that I would be stoked to see my favorite fighter finally face some fresh meat. Dana should have signed his first-born away if that's what Fedor wanted. I mean look how much they hyped CroCop and he had just been battered by Fedor. Even if, no especially if Fedor was fighting in the Olympics and could only fight here twice a year who cares! That just gives you more time to hype his next fight! Obviously dana does not care about MMA fans desires or we would see deeper cards and Fedor vs. Randy would have happened in an Octagon. Now Affliction will end up promoting the biggest fight ever and the UFC gave it up.............
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Post #12 7/22/08 7:32:22PM
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My god, affliction just done a somewhat overrated show and it seem everybody wetting their pants and started nuthugging them. I mean, Fedor salary only is what affliction paid him, not M-1 not the sponsor and not even % on the ppv buy. So in reality he could easily be paid two millions for what we know.
It`s the same thing with the UFC, George, Chuck and the others are paid more than what the payout said because they are given "locker bonus" and other stuff that are not divulgated by the UFC and if you look at the payout some fighter have been the same amount has if they would have been with the UFC.
Also, before accusing Dana of lying at least until affliction has stuck around for a year and more than one show. I don`t if the UFC pissed you off so much just stop watching and only watch affliction and Elite XC.
I think Dana and the UFC have done so much for the sport and they are deserving alot of credit and this whole thread of bashing is getting kinda of old too...
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Post #13 7/22/08 9:15:37PM
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soundboy1
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I completely agree with everyone about this being old news and apologize for bringing it up again. But I come here to vent about stuff that really bothers me in the MMA world. And guess what the only thing that bothers me is Fedor not fighting in the UFC against Randy Couture. And if money was the reason why then Dana White is to blame. That's it. I blew my wad.
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Post #14 7/22/08 10:05:36PM
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TOMMYAYO05
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i really liked the show and i c them sticking around for competition....i say they need to sign tito ortiz because he has one of the biggest fan bases and he can fight say....babalu?nogueria? i would like to see them sign some top fighters like maybe yamamoto,calvacante,trigg,cung le,frank shamrock, and there is so many other names i can really see them rising if their smart...the top ten heavyweights are mostly there already i believe 5 or 6 are signed so ufc watch out
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Post #15 7/23/08 12:36:31AM
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