The Secret's Out: Fedor's the Best MMA Has |
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CCPRIDE99
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Career record: 149-94
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Posted by Twenty20Dollars
that's a very bold statement to say fedor is never going to lose. I mean he does have a loss but i still think he will get beaten at some point. It is MMA after all.
thats just cockiness and arrogance
he needs to grow up and quit acting like he is god because hes not
and idc who you are NOBODY is unbeatable
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Post #16 7/20/08 9:51:43PM
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Go Giants!!!!!
Career record: 214-123
Season: 42-28 (#628)
Location: The Jersey Shore!!!!!!!
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I honestly think Barnett and Arlovski should fight to see who fights Fedor
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Why don't you just sit there and bleed awhile before you taste yourself some real pain!!!!!!!
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Post #17 7/20/08 9:57:28PM
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jae_1833
MMA Sensei
Career record: 146-94
Season: 38-32 (#2004)
Location: cali
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I see Fedor beating these opponents in this order.
1. Randy
2. Barnett
3. Andrei
Then all that is left to do is retire. 
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Post #18 7/20/08 9:58:47PM
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GrandMaster313
In Full Mount
Career record: 175-99
Season: 44-26 (#691)
Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A.
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Posted by lordicast
I love Fedor but, now its crazy he is never going to lose! and he is going to be like the patriots. More money, More problems, More haters.
Viva la Fedor
Patriots Lose to anyone named MANNING so I guess MMA has to come up with the next Payton and Eli to fight FEDOR!! 
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Post #19 7/20/08 9:59:45PM
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The_hungry_lumberjack
MMA Regular
Career record: 169-119
Season: 47-19 (#1016)
Location: Elliot Lake, Ontario, Canada
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The entire US army VS Fedor
Fedor by Armbar, and don't ask how!
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Post #20 7/20/08 10:57:13PM
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jlock003
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 117-79
Season: 44-26 (#1783)
Location: Tennessee
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I think fedor is one of the best fighters in the world, and last night was an awsome performance....but to through him in front of anderson silva right now in the p4p race I'm not sure is fair. I mean don't get me wrong Tim silvia is a top notch competitor, but Fedor has fought nobody's over and over again and then thrown in a great fighter every now and then. Silva fights top 5 guys every fight, and last night wen't up in weight 20 pounds and hit one of the hardest hitters in the game so hard that the guy said he wasn't sure what hit him. Again Fedor is a great fighter, but I'm gonna continue to keep silva in the number 1 spot. If i'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time LOL.
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Post #21 7/21/08 12:22:04AM
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bigbubbano23
In Full Mount
Career record: 108-86
Season: 39-31 (#2579)
Location: the hills
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anderson silva is the best in the world not fedor.
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Post #22 7/21/08 12:57:52AM
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EliasG
MMA Regular
Career record: 83-54
Season: 18-12 (#6337)
Location: Colton
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This gets the big "huh?" from me. He hasn't fought nobodies over and over. Unless of course you just started watching MMA and think this is his second fight. Then yeah your right. He's fought a who's who of anyone great in MMA. I don't know if you are aware but that big bad dude that is UFC Heavyweight champ? He whooped him twice...very badly. He's beaten EVERYONE he ever faced. His one loss was on a cut and when he came back he absolutely mercked him.
Let's make a list of the nobodies he's beaten and I'll put a couple of them in no particular order:
Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland
Mark Colemen
Mark Hunt
Cro cop
UFC heavyweight champ Nog-2 times
Kevin Randleman
Heath Herring
Semmy Schlitt
Babalu
Those guys are nobodies right?
Let's look at Silva.
He's lost 4 times.
He's beaten in no particular order:
James Irvin (yawn unranked not in his weight class)
Dan Henderson
Travis Lutter
Rich Franklin
Nate Marquedt
Jeremy Horn
Chris Leben
Sakurai
He's lost to:
Chonan
Okami
Takase
Luiz Azeredo
Silva is on a 8 fight winning streak. It's amazing.
Fedor is on a 25 fight win streak. If eight is amazing what's 25? Insane?
Silva is great. Fedor is magnificent. P4P best. I rest my case.
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Post #23 7/21/08 1:07:16AM
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jakeiceman
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Posted by EliasG
This gets the big "huh?" from me. He hasn't fought nobodies over and over. Unless of course you just started watching MMA and think this is his second fight. Then yeah your right. He's fought a who's who of anyone great in MMA. I don't know if you are aware but that big bad dude that is UFC Heavyweight champ? He whooped him twice...very badly. He's beaten EVERYONE he ever faced. His one loss was on a cut and when he came back he absolutely mercked him.
Let's make a list of the nobodies he's beaten and I'll put a couple of them in no particular order:
Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland
Mark Colemen
Mark Hunt
Cro cop
UFC heavyweight champ Nog-2 times
Kevin Randleman
Heath Herring
Semmy Schlitt
Babalu
Those guys are nobodies right?
Let's look at Silva.
He's lost 4 times.
He's beaten in no particular order:
James Irvin (yawn unranked not in his weight class)
Dan Henderson
Travis Lutter
Rich Franklin
Nate Marquedt
Jeremy Horn
Chris Leben
Sakurai
He's lost to:
Chonan
Okami
Takase
Luiz Azeredo
Silva is on a 8 fight winning streak. It's amazing.
Fedor is on a 25 fight win streak. If eight is amazing what's 25? Insane?
Silva is great. Fedor is magnificent. P4P best. I rest my case.
Here is the only hole in your case......the majority of the names (other than Sylvia) you put in Fedors win column was up to and over 3 years ago! People cant keep bringing up this guys past when considering his spot in the p4p rankings. The rankings are more about relevancy, Anderson Silva may have 4 losses on his record but he has been absolutely scary and has done it all in the present....NOT IN THE PAST. Fedor is amazing, I'm not hating on him but he does not deserve to be considered the best p4p right now. Another reason why Silva deserves the spot is because he will fight anyone, at anytime he already proved that by moving up in weight, unlike Fedor who gets treated like god by everyone and fights once every two years  Fedor very well could be the p4p best again soon but he has to earn it for hell sakes.
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Post #24 7/21/08 1:26:46AM
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tomp6581
MMA Regular
Career record: 142-117
Season: 27-27 (#5634)
Location: Manchester, England
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Fedor at 230lbs just defeated a top 10 HW who weighs 50lbs more than him.
Anderson Silva at (day to day) 210lbs just defeated a top 20 LHW who weighs 10 to 15lbs more than him.
Why is Anderson SIlvas win impressive. He fought a no mark at LHW.....also, this is not the first time Silva has fought at this weight, he was a 205lbs fighter in pride.
I dont want to take any thing away from Anderson, his ko was amazing but I just feel this was an easy fight for him. Did anyone really expect him to lose?
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Post #25 7/21/08 6:15:44AM
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EliasG
MMA Regular
Career record: 83-54
Season: 18-12 (#6337)
Location: Colton
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There isn't a hole in my argument. He hasn't lost. In his last 2 fights he hasn't lost. In his last 25 fights he hasn't lost. In the past 6 years, he hasn't lost.
Here's the hole in your argument==it's based solely on how many fights he's fought lately. So, I'm just curious, how many more fights will he need this year to become P4P. He's planning on fighting three. Will that do it? Is it 5 fights? 2 fights? How many fights do you have to have, because Silva HAS been more active the past couple of years, so Fedor can never really catch up with that number so we CAn"T play a numbers game. I just want to see how many fights it takes for you to accept the inevitable.
Here's a number 25.
You get it? He hasn't lost in 25 fights. This year, he's fought twice and once against a top ranked guy. If a guy is "the BEST" and NO ONE can beat him, it doesn't matter if he fights 7 days a week and on Sunday or if he fights once a year like a big name boxer. He's still the best because HE HASN'T LOST. Wh would he have to fight to prove it? He's fought everyone! The only guys that I'd like to see at this point are Randy C, AA, and Josh Barnett. There is no one left who I could even point to as close to his class. Then he can go to LHW and wreck shop on anyone left. (Cuz most of those guys walk around at 225-230 anyway).
He just fought a top 5 heavyweight and absolutely mercked him. That proves that what we "KNE W" about Fedor's dominance from all of his history proves true now. Here's the thing, Fedor could go to 205 and he'd rip Silva's head off and punt it out of the octagon. Not even close. But he's a heavyweight and he'll beat guys that weigh 50-100 pounds more than him. (See Mark Hunt fight). He's beaten MORE impressive strikers, and better grapplers than Silva has fought. It's cool that you like Silva and all, and you have actually "seen" Silva in his last few fights. I get that that influences you. But I've seen both of their fights all the way back in to Pride too and I have to be honest, Silva wasn't THIS impressive until he got to the UFC and put all of his skills together. He is in his prime. Great. Fedor never had to "put anything together." He's been unstoppable since Day one. Doesn't matter who he fights. He wins. that makes him P4P superiour to anyone.
P4P arguments are fun but they are kind of silly since the fighters themselves don't care much. In boxing I give it to Manny P.
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Post #26 7/21/08 11:14:56AM
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EliasG
MMA Regular
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Posted by tomp6581
Fedor at 230lbs just defeated a top 10 HW who weighs 50lbs more than him.
Anderson Silva at (day to day) 210lbs just defeated a top 20 LHW who weighs 10 to 15lbs more than him.
Why is Anderson SIlvas win impressive. He fought a no mark at LHW.....also, this is not the first time Silva has fought at this weight, he was a 205lbs fighter in pride.
I dont want to take any thing away from Anderson, his ko was amazing but I just feel this was an easy fight for him. Did anyone really expect him to lose?
True, Fedor walks around at 230. :) He fights at 230. Anderson Silva walks around at 210-215. He weighs in at 185 and fights close to 200. All Sat. meant was that his training camp didn't include as many sauna sessions 1 day before the weigh in. ;) 10 pounds isn't so hard to lose on short notice. That's why Dana let him go to 205 instead of asking him to fight at 185.
So, if we are going to talk pound for Pound, the truth is, pound for pound Fedor is superior just based on the fact that he doesn't need to drop weight to have an advantage. He comes as he is. Done. Silva is good but I don't think he has an easy time with the top LHW on a consistent basis in that stacked division. Fedor on the other hand, COULD drop weight (look at him) and fight LHW and clean the division. He could fight them in a tournament and clean the division in one night. :)
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