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moob
Standup Guy
Career record: 187-133
Season: 43-27 (#1565)
Location: Glasgow, Scotland.
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Posted by nickcuc547
the card turned out to be a disappointment but just the fact that they put it on was a good move. free ufc will draw casual viewers over dishing out 40 bucks for an org. they haven't heard of.
And why is that a good thing?
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Post #16 7/21/08 6:59:23AM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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Posted by hippysmacker
I watched both( Tivo is a godsend) , but I will say we won't know how much it affected Affliction until we see the PPV numbers. If they can pull 100, 000, yes I know that snot much compared to the UFC regular 400,000's , then I think the UFC will have a viable competitor. People like us were going to watch it. They needed to grab the casual fan to make themselves a legitimate threat currently IMO.
I also watched both btw. The fights were conveniently timed so that I was able to watch just about every single fight by switching back and forth after every affliction fight.
I agree with all of that, what I'm saying about them doing well in comparison is more to do with future events though. The numbers for this event can't be changed, but I think the fact that the Affliction card was probably more exciting (at least fight-wise... UFC has the best production clearly) will help to draw those casual fans because maybe they will see the fedor fight and say "wow this is what was going on when I was watching UFN".
Personally I'm happy that I paid for Affliction. I'm definitely paying for the next one and trying to spread the word as much as possible. I think if they fix some things... condensing the production to 3 hours without cutting fights, get rid of the ring and live bands - I think they could be successful.
We'll have to see what the numbers are like for this event, but I think you're right that if they sell even a quarter of what the UFC does they will have the potential to pick up steam and actually compete. I'm happy to see another promotion that has a chance to put on legit cards without having to rely on kimbo to draw fans. Fedor could really be a superstar if they market him well. I'm pretty sure Trump will be able to take care of that with the highlights Fedor will produce.
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Post #17 7/21/08 8:03:34AM
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jocksmall
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Career record: 123-77
Season: 11-9 (#6432)
Location: kentucky
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anyone who missed affliction really missed a great show. i taped ufc and watched affliction live. the ufc show was second rate in comparison. affliction had great fight after great fight. i cant wait to see how the next card turns out. that card alone was better than the ufc could produce at hw. fedor is by far the best there is. something else i liked about affliction was the small amount of talking and self-promotion that is constant with the ufc. the ufc gives us 5 fights and it takes 3 hours. with affliction we got almost twice the fights in 3 hours and 25 min. i could have done without the band but i guess if you were in attendence it would have been pretty cool.
Last edited 7/21/08 6:13PM by jocksmall
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Post #18 7/21/08 6:06:50PM
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miphi1991
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 6-15
Season: 3-7 (#8538)
Location: Maryland
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Posted by moob
We simply don't need two large organisations going head to head - the lesser organisation, in this case Affliction, will only lose out and potentially suffer as a result.
The main losers in this scenario are MMA fans.
I have to disagree. Idk what the general concensious is but i was happy when UFC bought out Pride. I want to see all the great fighters under one roof so that we dont miss any potentially great matchups (Fedor vs Couture time is kinda running out on that one) If it means agressiveness by the lead organization then so be it.
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Post #19 7/22/08 9:28:19PM
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WarWagon Never Die!
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It has been shown in every business that monopoly decreases, rather increasing, product quality. Competition is essential.
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Post #20 7/22/08 9:54:33PM
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miphi1991
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 6-15
Season: 3-7 (#8538)
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well it seems in this case the thrown together UFN card in order to compete with affliction decreased quality. if the ufc hadnt rushed to compete perhaps the product wouldve been better.
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Post #21 7/22/08 10:14:27PM
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bls1919
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I DVR'd it. I dont know if that counts. I recordeed it and went to a friends house to pitch in on the Affliction PPV. I think i did the right thing. Getting drunk playing beer pong/watching AA, Barnett, and Fedor Dominate was great. Then the next morning watching Markham fill out my parlay was great. I'm sure the UFC got more viewers seing as it was free but Affliction put on great card.
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Post #22 7/22/08 10:15:48PM
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moob
Standup Guy
Career record: 187-133
Season: 43-27 (#1565)
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Posted by miphi1991
Posted by moob
We simply don't need two large organisations going head to head - the lesser organisation, in this case Affliction, will only lose out and potentially suffer as a result.
The main losers in this scenario are MMA fans.
I have to disagree. Idk what the general concensious is but i was happy when UFC bought out Pride. I want to see all the great fighters under one roof so that we dont miss any potentially great matchups (Fedor vs Couture time is kinda running out on that one) If it means agressiveness by the lead organization then so be it.
That's an entirely different issue altogether.
The problem with fighters not being allowed to fight in other organisations is down the specific organisation tying them down to exclusive contracts - something the UFC does. If they were allowed more freedom to fight elsewhere, then everyone could co-exist and there would be more organisations and more work for the fighters.
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Post #23 7/23/08 2:06:10PM
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This is the model boxing follows and in my opinion its one of the reasons its lost its grip on fight fans.
Too many title holders, too many governing bodies and a total mess when it comes to determining top talent.
Look at every succesful professional sport and there is always one league that is head and shoulders above the rest.
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Post #24 7/23/08 7:34:51PM
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chris91301
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i think it was very succesful. i'm more or less of an average joe who doenst really want to pay. if both were PPV i would have chosen affliction due to the lineup of better fights, but when UFC was free then that was a no brainer to go with UFC and later youtube affliction fights.
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Post #25 7/23/08 7:37:18PM
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I always get a kick out of the "every other succesful sport has one league that dominates" theory. Those are team sports. This is an individual combat sport. I just don't think you can compare the MLB, NFL, and NBA model to mixed martial arts.
It would be nice to have one world sanctioning body like WAMMA, but I just don't see it happening. Different organizations will have their fighters, and their champs.
I think the main thing holding MMA up is exclusive contracts. I would like to see fighters form a union and then first on the agenda would be that no fighter within the union signs exclusive contracts.
I love the UFC, it's the best organization. But if it were to by some miracle go under, I think it would be good for MMA in the long run.
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Post #26 7/23/08 8:00:49PM
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fine disregard team sports though even in individual sports there is still only one dominant league.
My point wasn't that they need to follow any other sports example but that they shouldn't follow the example of boxing. Which is easily the most disorganized sport on the planet.
Boxing was in its heyday when it had 1 champ in each division.
The sport would be much stronger with one dominant league with the major talent there...and smaller Orgs feeding the big one with young talent.
It will likely never happen but that would be the best chance we'd have to see the best fight the best.
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Post #27 7/23/08 8:13:56PM
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jocksmall
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Posted by FlashyG
fine disregard team sports though even in individual sports there is still only one dominant league.
My point wasn't that they need to follow any other sports example but that they shouldn't follow the example of boxing. Which is easily the most disorganized sport on the planet.
Boxing was in its heyday when it had 1 champ in each division.
The sport would be much stronger with one dominant league with the major talent there...and smaller Orgs feeding the big one with young talent.
It will likely never happen but that would be the best chance we'd have to see the best fight the best.
i dont disagree with yor boxing analogy but i do disagree that if the one dominant org is the ufc that would be good. some sort of ranking system which is outside the ufc and any other org for that matter is needed. if we have only the ufc we can be feed any fighter and be told hes the best. i really believe its best for the fans if we have competition . one world champ would be nice but the ufc wont cross promote so we all must not recognize all of there champs as the best because they simply are not regardless of what dana or joe rogan says. also one dominant league is not good for the fighters unless there is a union but thats another argument. this is because they can pay what they want and discard guys who dont sign and promote cheaper talent as the best like they do for the tuf fighters.
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Post #28 7/23/08 8:30:30PM
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