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Laying down the beats
Career record: 166-127
Season: 11-10 (#2208)
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Personally I think people get "Tim has a long jab" and "Tim has a good jab" mixed up. A better striker overall is a more formidable opponent than someone with a long (or even good) jab.
A good jab is really nothing if you don't use it to set anything up.
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Post #16 7/19/08 12:39:09PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 96-66
Season: 14-7 (#1465)
Location: Canada
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well he uses it to control people's movement more often than not. It's really accurate, fast, and he can use it to effectively control people's distance which allows him to basically sit back and wait for the big shot. It's a boring style of fight but it has worked for him more often than not.
I think the reason Randy was so confident he could beat him is because he realized this and knew all he really had to do was take away his main weapon by closing the distance before he could use it. I'd say he has one of the best jabs at HW for sure.
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Post #17 7/19/08 12:55:08PM
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MMA Sensei
Career record: 121-73
Season: 16-5 (#93)
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I'm in agreement with both of you guys here.
Tim utilizes the jab effectively, although I wouldn't say it's the most crisp and best jab out there, it's utilized effectively. He wouldn't have rode his career this far on the jab if it wasn't.
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Post #18 7/19/08 1:09:21PM
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Laying down the beats
Career record: 166-127
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Posted by Aether
I think the reason Randy was so confident he could beat him is because he realized this and knew all he really had to do was take away his main weapon by closing the distance before he could use it.
Well considering closing the distance and taking guys down is Fedor's speciality, I would say the concept of Tim's jab (whatever we want to define it as) is moot.
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Post #19 7/19/08 1:34:11PM
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Can't wait to get rid of this
Career record: 98-60
Season: 14-7 (#457)
Location: selden, new york
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Fedor defeated Semmy Schilt
in terms of striking Semmy = 10,000 x Tim Sylvia
Semmy is taller, stronger and a much better striker. for Mac Danzig to say that Tim has the best jab that Fedor has faced is mentally retarded. he should really stick to being a hippy...because he is terrible at analyzing fights.
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Post #20 7/19/08 1:37:33PM
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candynuts
Belt Contender
Career record: 80-60
Season: 13-8 (#1404)
Location: I am nomadic, and lets leave it at that.
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Hahah, gotta love Din Thomas' take on the fight. 
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Post #21 7/19/08 1:37:57PM
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Din Thomas (Pictures): For years I’ve underestimated Tim Sylvia (Pictures). This time I think I’m gonna be in the minority and pick Tim and his long right hand. Come to think of it, I am a minority.
Funny.
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Post #22 7/19/08 1:38:44PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 96-66
Season: 14-7 (#1465)
Location: Canada
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Fedor defeated Semmy Schilt
in terms of striking Semmy = 10,000 x Tim Sylvia
Semmy is taller, stronger and a much better striker. for Mac Danzig to say that Tim has the best jab that Fedor has faced is mentally retarded. he should really stick to being a hippy...because he is terrible at analyzing fights.
Again, the fact that semmy is a better overall striker doesn't necessarily mean that he has a better jab. I'm not saying tim is going to jab his way to victory, but mac's comment isn't really stupid or ridiculous. I think that even though Semmy is a better striker, Tim has a more effective jab.
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Post #23 7/19/08 4:13:39PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 96-66
Season: 14-7 (#1465)
Location: Canada
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Posted by Rush
Posted by Aether
I think the reason Randy was so confident he could beat him is because he realized this and knew all he really had to do was take away his main weapon by closing the distance before he could use it.
Well considering closing the distance and taking guys down is Fedor's speciality, I would say the concept of Tim's jab (whatever we want to define it as) is moot.
No it isn't. I'm not arguing that tim will beat fedor, I'm arguing that he has a good jab and mac's comment isn't stupid. If I was arguing that tim's jab was going to win him the fight maybe you would be right, but I'm not. Like I already said I don't think Tim has a very good chance at all.
That doesn't mean that I don't think he has one of the best jabs in the HW division.
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Post #24 7/19/08 4:19:50PM
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Posted by Aether
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Fedor defeated Semmy Schilt
in terms of striking Semmy = 10,000 x Tim Sylvia
Semmy is taller, stronger and a much better striker. for Mac Danzig to say that Tim has the best jab that Fedor has faced is mentally retarded. he should really stick to being a hippy...because he is terrible at analyzing fights.
Again, the fact that semmy is a better overall striker doesn't necessarily mean that he has a better jab. I'm not saying tim is going to jab his way to victory, but mac's comment isn't really stupid or ridiculous. I think that even though Semmy is a better striker, Tim has a more effective jab.
i understand that, i am saying that Semmy also has a better jab then Sylvia. it is ridiculous because he totally neglects the fact that Fedor had to deal with the jabs of Semmy and Hong Man Choi...both of which are large strikers with better jabs. Fedor has faced the jabs of K-1 fighters, and i am telling you right now no part of Tim Sylvia's striking game is K-1 level...even his jab. Mac is acting like Fedor is just another fighter, when in fact he is the most dominant fighter the sport has ever had. i just don't see how the best K-1 fighter of all time has a worse jab then Tim Sylvia...just can't see it
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Post #25 7/19/08 4:25:01PM
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lordicast
MMA Regular
Career record: 121-74
Season: 11-9 (#3086)
Location: California
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by Aether
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Fedor defeated Semmy Schilt
in terms of striking Semmy = 10,000 x Tim Sylvia
Semmy is taller, stronger and a much better striker. for Mac Danzig to say that Tim has the best jab that Fedor has faced is mentally retarded. he should really stick to being a hippy...because he is terrible at analyzing fights.
Again, the fact that semmy is a better overall striker doesn't necessarily mean that he has a better jab. I'm not saying tim is going to jab his way to victory, but mac's comment isn't really stupid or ridiculous. I think that even though Semmy is a better striker, Tim has a more effective jab.
i understand that, i am saying that Semmy also has a better jab then Sylvia. it is ridiculous because he totally neglects the fact that Fedor had to deal with the jabs of Semmy and Hong Man Choi...both of which are large strikers with better jabs. Fedor has faced the jabs of K-1 fighters, and i am telling you right now no part of Tim Sylvia's striking game is K-1 level...even his jab. Mac is acting like Fedor is just another fighter, when in fact he is the most dominant fighter the sport has ever had. i just don't see how the best K-1 fighter of all time has a worse jab then Tim Sylvia...just can't see it
Only way to setttle this is to have a "JAB OFF"!
Jab off folks gather round
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Post #26 7/19/08 6:38:18PM
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The Dancing Mod
Career record: 171-116
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Fedor defeated Semmy Schilt
in terms of striking Semmy = 10,000 x Tim Sylvia
Semmy is taller, stronger and a much better striker. for Mac Danzig to say that Tim has the best jab that Fedor has faced is mentally retarded. he should really stick to being a hippy...because he is terrible at analyzing fights.
And Semmy has no takedown defense at all. Every one of his loses he's been taken down and beaten senseless. Tim is a MMA fighter, training with Militech for years. Semmy is a K-1 fighter (Never had to worry about being taken down)
who had no idea how to stop a take down. Big difference bewtween the two
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Post #27 7/19/08 6:54:46PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 96-66
Season: 14-7 (#1465)
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I think semmy being the best k-1 fighter is debatable. I think a lot of his success is really a result of his size. I would argue that hoost is a technically better kickboxer. Anyway, we don't really disagree about much here. I think Tim is going to lose, and I've argued many times that fedor has fought superior strikers, I just don't think that mac's comment is that ridiculous. Semmy also wasn't at the same level as he is now at the time that he fought fedor and the fact that he really has no takedown defense just means that his striking becomes less effective in MMA. I'd say that Tim has the more effective jab as it applies to MMA, regardless of if Semmy's is more technically sound from a kickboxing perspective.
I don't think he was too off point, but if you do it's not like we're going to convince each other otherwise so there's not much point in continuing. Agree to disagree I guess.
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Post #28 7/19/08 7:34:02PM
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Posted by zephead
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Fedor defeated Semmy Schilt
in terms of striking Semmy = 10,000 x Tim Sylvia
Semmy is taller, stronger and a much better striker. for Mac Danzig to say that Tim has the best jab that Fedor has faced is mentally retarded. he should really stick to being a hippy...because he is terrible at analyzing fights.
And Semmy has no takedown defense at all. Every one of his loses he's been taken down and beaten senseless. Tim is a MMA fighter, training with Militech for years. Semmy is a K-1 fighter (Never had to worry about being taken down)
who had no idea how to stop a take down. Big difference bewtween the two
i was using Semmy as an example of how Fedor has dealt with tall strikers and their jabs. i wasn't saying that because he beat Semmy he would definitely beat Tim but rather the point of Tim's striking/jab being too much for Fedor was ridiculous.
Guess i was right
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Post #29 7/20/08 12:50:56AM
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cmill21
Heavyweight Champ
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Hope people will start to respect the fighter that deserves it.
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