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EON
Banned
Career record: 55-29
Season: 20-12 (#4820)
Location: Amsterdam
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Posted by warglory
Patrick Cote when he fought Tito. This was Cote's first UFC fight, and only the 6th pro fight of his career!
Tito didnt have the belt at UFC 50..................lol
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Post #16 7/9/08 3:56:35AM
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mrsmiley
MMA Sensei
Career record: 151-105
Season: 31-28 (#4236)
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Steve Jennum.
Sure it wasn't for "A" title,but it was for the tournement win,and he didn't have to do a whole lot to get it.
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Post #17 7/9/08 9:12:34AM
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bobbydoomocculta
Standup Guy
Career record: 71-47
Season: 29-17 (#3866)
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
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Posted by mrsmiley
Steve Jennum.
Sure it wasn't for "A" title,but it was for the tournement win,and he didn't have to do a whole lot to get it.
Yeah, The Gracie's should've decided backstage instead of throwing in the towel before The fight...
On that note... Mark Coleman had a pretty cruisey run in the First pride grand prix too...
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Post #18 7/9/08 7:22:50PM
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mrkennedy
Belt Contender
Career record: 163-79
Season: 51-19 (#168)
Location: montreal
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Posted by Rush
Some people might argue Randy's shot at Tim, coming after two losses to Chuck and a win over van Arsedale.
Joe Riggs and his shot against Hughes. His only win in the UFC prior to that was one over Lytle
hughes vs riggs was a non-title fight i think
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Post #19 7/9/08 7:30:41PM
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bobbydoomocculta
Standup Guy
Career record: 71-47
Season: 29-17 (#3866)
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
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Posted by mrkennedy
Posted by Rush
Some people might argue Randy's shot at Tim, coming after two losses to Chuck and a win over van Arsedale.
Joe Riggs and his shot against Hughes. His only win in the UFC prior to that was one over Lytle
hughes vs riggs was a non-title fight i think
Only cos riggs couldn't make weight from memory...
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Post #20 7/9/08 7:36:00PM
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RMFG_187
MMA Sensei
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Career record: 129-84
Season: 38-24 (#1754)
Location: Toronto, Canada
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BJ Penn vs Hughes 2,
GSP shoulda went first, if not that BJ not at all.
Jon Fitch
Alves, Swick, Karo should've all been ahead of him.
Couture.
wasn't even in Top 10, but hey, look what happend.
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Post #21 7/9/08 8:19:51PM
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ViciousFish
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 105-65
Season: 44-25 (#1331)
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GSP did have the title shot before BJ but he got hurt so they subbed in BJ since they fought for a title shot.
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Post #22 7/9/08 8:29:03PM
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Keeping the pimp hand strong
Career record: 181-78
Season: 47-23 (#525)
Location: Oklahoma
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Posted by Rush
Some people might argue Randy's shot at Tim, coming after two losses to Chuck and a win over van Arsedale.
Joe Riggs and his shot against Hughes. His only win in the UFC prior to that was one over Lytle
yeah I would agree and I'm one of the people that don't think Randy deserved a tittle shot at all. Randy had retired and had 2 losses to a LHW. Then out of no where they give him a shot at the title. Now I understand why they did but come on. Now as far as Riggs he was a last second replacement for Karo Parisyan. So I can understand the reasoning more than I can Randy getting a shot.
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Post #23 7/9/08 9:06:31PM
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MoJoy
Banned again
Career record: 54-24
Season: 9-2 (#7206)
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Andre Pederneira (UFC 21) - 2nd career fight, 1st fight in the UFC. his only fight was a win over Rumina Sato but come on, his second fight of his career was for a UFC belt
John Lober (UFC Brazil) - he was winless in his last 6 fights leading up to his shot, he never had fought in the UFC before and he was 3-5-2 when he fought Shamrock for the title. i think he is the most undeserved of all time.
How did the first even happen? Who was the champ and what where the announcers saying about the guy?
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Post #24 7/10/08 1:37:45AM
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Bumpy
MMA Regular
Career record: 131-105
Season: 36-34 (#3351)
Location: KY
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matt serra
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Post #25 9/6/08 7:58:10PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 120-82
Season: 38-23 (#2266)
Location: Canada
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Rofl I can't believe anyone is saying BJ didn't deserve a shot at the lightweight belt. He was coming off of losses at _welterweight_, he was still obviously the best lightweight in the world and he's clearly proven it. What other two fighters deserved to fight for the interim title more than bj and stevenson at the time?
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Post #26 9/7/08 5:23:38AM
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hodge
Standup Guy
Career record: 144-99
Season: 43-27 (#1986)
Location: Nottingham England
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BROCK LESNAR!!!!!
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Post #27 9/7/08 9:41:34AM
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warglory
MMA Sensei
Career record: 169-115
Season: 31-27 (#2819)
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Posted by RMFG_187
BJ Penn vs Hughes 2,
GSP shoulda went first, if not that BJ not at all.
Jon Fitch
Alves, Swick, Karo should've all been ahead of him.
Couture.
wasn't even in Top 10, but hey, look what happend.
Jon Fitch? Are you kidding me? He was probably the most deserving #1 contender in the history of the sport!
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Post #28 9/7/08 1:13:36PM
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palaceonballas
Learning to Sprawl
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I agree with many of the people mentioned in the above posts, but really there are just sometimes when people who don't deserve the title shot, get the chance, jump on it and pull the upset.
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Post #29 9/7/08 1:29:54PM
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Laying down the beats
Career record: 192-150
Season: 37-33 (#1810)
Location: Canada
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Posted by palaceonballas
I agree with many of the people mentioned in the above posts, but really there are just sometimes when people who don't deserve the title shot, get the chance, jump on it and pull the upset.
Exactly.
So how does one determine whether someone deserves a title shot?
One could easily say, based on experience, records, etc. that a particular fighter would not deserve a title shot. However, if they win, doesn't that mean (in retrospect) that they did in fact deserve to be in that position? Wouldn't a requirement for hindsight kind of make the concept of whether one is "deserving" a little watered down?
I am starting to think that determining whether a fighter deserved a title shot has less to do with their absolute ranking, abilities, etc. but more about how they compare to the rest of other potential (title shot) fighters at that time.
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