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Should decisions be draws?
Should decisions be draws? |
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bobbydoomocculta
Standup Guy
Career record: 71-47
Season: 29-17 (#3866)
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
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Posted by Aaronno9
I think that it should be the case with split decisions. If judges, who should have an extended knowledge of the sport and look to score on the same things cant agree on a decision, then in my mind, somethings up.
No way UD's should be draws though. I mean, look at fights like quarry vs starnes. To call that fight a draw is criminal.Then theirs fights with guys who are just generally hard to put away, Kos vs Lytle being a good example. Kos stomped Lytle for like 90% of the fight, but its really hard for anybody to finish that guy so i think Josh deserved that win.
Preach on brother....
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Post #16 7/9/08 7:45:22PM
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RNC
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Career record: 132-73
Season: 48-22 (#628)
Location: New Jersey
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Decisions should not be draws.
You could get your ass kicked every round but never submitted or put away.. Kos vs Lytle. If by avoiding that you would automatically be awarded a draw, by the time round three came you would see a lot of losing fighters avoiding danger just riding it out for a draw.
Another bad thing about it would be for all the great fights that went the distance. Just because the fighters never finished each other, we go and take a great fight and label it a draw.
I would be pissed off after watching wandy vs liddell only to find out at the end it was a tie.
I think there is always going to be controversy with the judging because people view stuff differently. Only when the judges are told how to weigh things will it be better. I'm not saying 3 points for kicks, 5 points for wrestling, 2 for submission attempts, etc, but more as whats more important than the other so all the judges are on the same page. I think that is probably why the scoring is problematic right now. For instance, one judge likes striking better, the other one likes wrestling, they score it different. They need to have clearer guidlines.
IF ANYTHING.. 5 judges would make things a little better. Although there would still be problems like 4-1, is it still a split decision? Stuff like that would still have to get worked out, but I still think it would be way more decisive and would help the scoring.
With the 3 judges, a sudden death round could be interesting if a split decison occured.
Last edited 7/10/08 12:49AM by Dialect
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Post #17 7/10/08 12:48:27AM
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MMA_Alex
MMA Regular
Career record: 99-45
Season: 47-23 (#419)
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted by Dialect
Decisions should not be draws.
You could get your ass kicked every round but never submitted or put away.. Kos vs Lytle. If by avoiding that you would automatically be awarded a draw, by the time round three came you would see a lot of losing fighters avoiding danger just riding it out for a draw.
Another bad thing about it would be for all the great fights that went the distance. Just because the fighters never finished each other, we go and take a great fight and label it a draw.
I would be pissed off after watching wandy vs liddell only to find out at the end it was a tie.
I think there is always going to be controversy with the judging because people view stuff differently. Only when the judges are told how to weigh things will it be better. I'm not saying 3 points for kicks, 5 points for wrestling, 2 for submission attempts, etc, but more as whats more important than the other so all the judges are on the same page. I think that is probably why the scoring is problematic right now. For instance, one judge likes striking better, the other one likes wrestling, they score it different. They need to have clearer guidlines.
IF ANYTHING.. 5 judges would make things a little better. Although there would still be problems like 4-1, is it still a split decision? Stuff like that would still have to get worked out, but I still think it would be way more decisive and would help the scoring.
With the 3 judges, a sudden death round could be interesting if a split decison occured.
Exactly my thoughts. Decisions are necessary and as soon as you make them draws, people will just back off if they are losing and get the draw. Get all the judges on the same page or get 5 judges (I like that idea).
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Post #18 7/10/08 1:00:11AM
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RSH
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 22-16
Season: 15-14 (#6242)
Location: Kentucky
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If this were to happen...Machidas record would be so much different with all his decisions.. xD
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Post #19 7/10/08 1:38:11AM
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MoJoy
Banned again
Career record: 54-24
Season: 9-2 (#7206)
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The dude who made the post did not mean this. But it was an indirect insult to all fighters. I have said this before, I am saying it again, and I will say it in the future. More and more fighters will be fighting closer fights, and going to more and more decisions. Fighters are getting better than they ever where, more and more people are getting into this sport, the training is getting exponentially more sophistaced and better, and the rules and rounds also set this up. Its only a matter of if the viewers are smart enough to adapt and appreciate how great these guys become. Machida is the ultimate example. Those who hate on him, it says more about them. Step into that octagon and see what you can do. Dont sit there and say do this do that. How can you expect the sport the progress and continue to see that. Those kind of things where in the old ufc days where there where mismatches or with freaks like Anderson Silva who are Jordan like in how great they are. Fans need to use their brain.
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Post #20 7/10/08 2:07:16AM
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