Jackson/Griffin Scorecards; Main Event Wins “Fight of the Night” |
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crazedfan
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I said Miller/Gurgel should've won FOTN before any of you in the other bonuses topic...
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Post #16 7/6/08 6:56:40PM
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Shawn17
MMA Regular
Career record: 121-72
Season: 14-7 (#1921)
Location: your mom's bed
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I seriously wonder about the judging system for mixed martial arts. Its not very clear as to what is worth more points and counts for more. Does a takedown count more than strikes? Is octagon control and jabs worth more than knocking someone down? Personally I saw this fight as a draw. I was amazed that it wasnt at least a split decision. Theres no way in hell that forrest beat rampage decisevely like these judges scored it. In round 2 he had dominating position but was he ever close to finishing? Rampage nearly finished forrest in round 1, why is that not 10-8. He knocked him down. I just dont get it.
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Post #17 7/6/08 7:45:25PM
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Aether
MMA Sensei
Career record: 96-66
Season: 14-7 (#1465)
Location: Canada
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Posted by Menard_StC
I thought the decision was correct. Most unbiased people did.
How can you make that claim? You just write people's opinions off as bias when they don't fall in line with yours? How do you know what most people's bias is? Did you go around the planet and give everyone personal interviews to determine their bias? Do you believe that everyone who scored it in forrest's favour was unbiased and most people who scored it in rampage's were biased?
Really ridiculous statement, really completely incorrect. Argue either side if you want but stop falling back on the "bias" and "fanboy" arguments. There are probably just as many if not more people biased towards griffin as there are toward rampage. It works both ways. They're both highly popular fighters.
From what I've seen it's split almost perfectly down the middle, and bias has nothing to do with it. The fact that several rounds could be scored for either fighter depending on criteria used is the reason. It's not about fighter preference, it's about judging criteria. Everyone places different emphasis on things like submission attempts, position improvements, power and peppering shots.
Even the play by plays done on most MMA sites are split down the middle. MMAweekly had it for forrest, Fightmetrics had it as a tie, of the 3 sherdog judges one had it for rampage, one had it as a tie, and one had it as griffin. MMAjunkie also scored it in rampage's favour. Is everyone just biased or could it be that there are very legitimate arguments for both fighters winning? Claiming people are just biased is a cop out and a way to avoid actually having to back up your argument at all. That way you can just say "I'm right and you're wrong" without ever having to make any valid points.
As I've said I can see arguments for it going either way, but I'm sick of people like you claiming that half of the world is biased, or racist, or blind or some other nonsense.
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Post #18 7/6/08 8:18:37PM
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nickcuc547
MMA Sensei
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Season: 15-6 (#1708)
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Posted by Menard_StC
I thought the decision was correct. Most unbiased people did.
get that crap out of here, i thought it was a clear cut 47-47
round 1: Rampage, it was close until forrest got dropped with an uppercut.
round 2: forrest 10-8, total domination by griffin.
round 3: rampage, forrest got rocked 3 or 4 times, if that's chuck liddell fighting forrest i think everybody gives chuck this round.
round 4: rampage, same as round three except for the triangle attempt, it was deep but forrest almost got slammed.
round 5: forrest, did a good job sticking and moving, avoided rampage's punishment.
i think the big controversy is rounds 3 and 4, if you watch it closely every time forrest came in to strike he was hit hard by rampage, rocked and forced to retreat, this happened almost the entire round. 2 of the 3 judges giving griffin round 1 is ludacris and really makes me think he got the screw job even more.
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Post #19 7/6/08 8:53:07PM
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saemskin
MMA Regular
Career record: 55-54
Season: 10-7 (#4629)
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Sometime during the 2nd round I remember thinking to myself that Rampage looked very TIRED. Anyone else notice that?
Does anyone know if Rampage was 100% for this fight?
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Post #20 7/6/08 9:01:49PM
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cmill21
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 145-75
Season: 12-4 (#2629)
Location: Regina SK
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Posted by saemskin
Sometime during the 2nd round I remember thinking to myself that Rampage looked very TIRED. Anyone else notice that?
Does anyone know if Rampage was 100% for this fight?
i think that was the leg injury, he seemed fine every round after IMO, not tired or anything.
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Post #21 7/6/08 9:04:11PM
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Boo_Radley21
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Posted by Shawn17
In round 2 he had dominating position but was he ever close to finishing? Rampage nearly finished forrest in round 1, why is that not 10-8. He knocked him down. I just dont get it.
Yea I'd say that Forrest wrecking his leg and then keeping him down for 5 minutes is more dominant than Rampage knocking him down and then Forrest recovering and pulling guard right away. Not to mention getting back to his feet not long after.
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Post #22 7/6/08 9:06:45PM
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prozacnation1978
MMA Sensei
Career record: 141-61
Season: 16-5 (#271)
Location: san diego
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i was at the fight
i thought they were dead even or even rampage on top. seemed to me every time forrest got close rampge would knock him back, you add the bad limp leg i am surprised forrest could not finish him hurt i thought he would beat him in the 3rd. but over all best fight of the year for me, dying to see a rematch
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Post #23 7/6/08 9:27:24PM
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Wolf
MMA Regular
Career record: 179-98
Season: 10-7 (#2989)
Location: Athens, GA
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Posted by cmill21
I thought it was either a slight edge to Rampage, or a draw. I definetly didn't agree with giving Rampage round 5 and not round one, and I definetly don't agree with having it 4-1 like the judges. Ahh well we'll get to see Chuck vs Forrest if Chuck beats Rashad.
only 1 judge scored it 4-1. The others gave Griffin 3-2, but with 1 10-8 round.
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Post #24 7/6/08 9:47:55PM
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Budgellism
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 150-96
Season: 16-5 (#271)
Location: Ontario
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Yo I scored it 48-46 for Griffen as well... He won the fight, no doubt.
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Post #25 7/7/08 12:16:10AM
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xtra_chewy
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Everyone is too afraid to say that Rampage got robbed. He did. I said it.
Everyone that said they think Rampage won shouldnt be afraid to get flamed, I think the judges scores were terrible.
Great fight, great fighters, bad judging.
Last edited 7/7/08 2:35AM by xtra_chewy
Edit note/reason: n/a
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Post #26 7/7/08 2:32:50AM
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jgtribbett
In Full Mount
Career record: 143-90
Season: 12-9 (#3086)
Location: New Orleans, LA
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haha id have to watch it again.. i had drank too much by that fight and i was like an uneducated fan.. haha
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Post #27 7/7/08 7:12:34AM
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Pookie
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Fightmetric re-affirms what i said in an earlier thread. Rounds 1,3,4 were all rampage.
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Post #28 7/7/08 7:19:10AM
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Wolf
MMA Regular
Career record: 179-98
Season: 10-7 (#2989)
Location: Athens, GA
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Posted by Pookie
Fightmetric re-affirms what i said in an earlier thread. Rounds 1,3,4 were all rampage.
I have a real problem with the fightmetric scoring, and I wish I could get a chance to rewatch the fight with those guys and talk with them about it. I gave 4 to Griffin because I counted more shots landed. Jackson threw and landed some really good ones in that round. However, most of the combos he threw were taken on the arms as Griffin covered up well. You could see that in all the slow-mo replays they were showing. They looked good initially because Rampage throws those with a lot of ferocity. That doesn't change the fact that a punch that connects with only arm doesn't count. I had it like this:
1) Jackson 10-9
2) Griffin 10-8
3) Jackson 10-9
4) Griffin 10-9
5) Griffin 10-9
Final 48-46 Griffin (3 rounds to 2).
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Post #29 7/7/08 11:28:40AM
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Wins Fairly Squarely
Career record: 176-104
Season: 15-6 (#297)
Location: Cornwall, UK
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Since everyone has an opinion on the main event scoring I wont chime in much with that but felt Forrest win the fight despite me picking and wanting Rampage to win, thats unbiased scoring right there!
But what i really want to say is WTF UFC WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why give those guys an extra $75k each rather than Gurgel/Miller! even Koscheck Lytle would have been a better choice cos it was exciting and so close to being stopped all the time. I guess FOTN is judged by CLOSEST rather than MOST EXCITING imho
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