I dont understand? Forrest/Rampage- Good decision or bad? |
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FrankTheTank1181
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Posted by GrizzlyChadams
Anyone who thinks Rampage won was watching another fight. I think it was much closer then the judges scored it but Rampage definitely lost.
I think round 1 was very close, Rampage rocked Forrest but at the sametime Forrest landed all those leg kicks which clearly did the most significant damage of the match. Round 2 wen't to Forrest without a doubt, possibly a 10- 8 round. Rounds 3 and 4 were very close, but i feel for the most part it was Forrest controlling the match. And round 5 completely wen't to forrest. Hell, Rampage couldn't even walk properly at that time, let alone land anything.
Typical Forrest lover. One leg kick hurt him. Forrest being champ makes the UFC much more money and that's what business is all about, which is sad to say but the truth hurts.
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Post #16 7/6/08 3:49:35AM
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playground samauri
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I picked Rampage to win by decision. I scored it 48-47 for Forrest. That's without scoring the second round 10-8. I realize this was a close fight, but I think it's a bit rediculous to start hollaring conspiracy. Rampage even said he got his ass kicked. I see nothing wrong with the decision.
On a side note, I think the Rampage/Henderson fight was closer than this.
Last edited 7/6/08 3:56AM by gspfan
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Post #17 7/6/08 3:54:04AM
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I thought Forrest won the fight. But same time I don't think either fighter did much in the fight. The main factor in the fight seamed to be the leg kicks. They really seamed to affect Rampage a lot. But I really would have liked to see more action from both fighters. I really think the layoff was not good for either of them.
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Post #18 7/6/08 3:56:32AM
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Posted by gspfan
I picked Rampage to win by decision. I scored it 48-46 for Forrest. That's without scoring the second round 10-8. I realize this was a close fight, but I think it's a bit rediculous to start hollaring conspiracy. Rampage even said he got his ass kicked. I see nothing wrong with the decision.
On a side note, I think the Rampage/Henderson fight was closer than this.
Ok... I am kinda getting the feeling from the guy that said he saw it as a split and you who came up with the number 48-46 that you guys don't understand how it works. There is no way to come up with 48-46 without a 10-8 round, unless you think someone should have been deducted a point.
Also, one person cannot see it as a split... it is not possible. it takes three disagreeing viewpoints to get a split... and unless you have 3 personalities which saw the fight different ways... it is not possible.
Please do not post how you judged if you don't know how the scoring works...
EDIT: Alright it's edited now. I guess I can see that... but that means you gave the 3rd to Griffin?
Last edited 7/6/08 4:04AM by ncordless
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Post #19 7/6/08 4:01:44AM
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Purge
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I gave rounds 1, 2, 3 and 5 to Griffin, I don't see who this decision was bad.
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Post #20 7/6/08 4:08:35AM
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Aether
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I basically said the same stuff hippysmacker, pookie, smill etc have been saying in the spoilers thread.
I can see arguments for it going either way, I personally scored it as a tie and agree that in a title fight the challenger needs to definitively beat the champ and even if you want to give forrest the nod I don't think that happened and rampage should have retained the title.
Same deal with the cote fight. Cote was pushing forward, so you can give him aggression, but I personally think that landing shots while backing up should be given points over advancing while missing. Even if you want to give cote the edge for pushing I think the takedown at the end should have been enough to swing it in ricardo's favour. It could be the fact that he missed that armbar attempt and fell into guard.
Who knows.... They were all too close for anyone to really say the decisions were _BAD_ but I think they were definitely both highly debatable. Ultimately that's the fighter's fault but I do think judging criteria should be broken down specifically and different maneuvers should be assigned values. Whether they be all equal or have varying values there should just be some more specific judging criteria so judges can say "look here this is why we scored it this way, like it or not here's out reason" just a simple opinion doesn't seem good enough. I think there needs to be something a little more quantifiable.
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Post #21 7/6/08 4:09:24AM
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JoyDivision
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Good decision:
1st round- Obviously Rampage's round. He almost knocked Forrest out.
2nd round- All Forrest. He landed a few knees and got Rampage down. Mounted him and did some GnP.
3rd round- Razor thin, but Forrest was slightly more aggressive.
4th round- Rampage won this one. He landed some good shots and took Forrest down.
5th round- Also a fairly close round but again, Forrest was a little more aggressive except for maybe the last 30 seconds.
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Post #22 7/6/08 4:20:55AM
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playground samauri
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Posted by ncordless
Posted by gspfan
I picked Rampage to win by decision. I scored it 48-46 for Forrest. That's without scoring the second round 10-8. I realize this was a close fight, but I think it's a bit rediculous to start hollaring conspiracy. Rampage even said he got his ass kicked. I see nothing wrong with the decision.
On a side note, I think the Rampage/Henderson fight was closer than this.
Ok... I am kinda getting the feeling from the guy that said he saw it as a split and you who came up with the number 48-46 that you guys don't understand how it works. There is no way to come up with 48-46 without a 10-8 round, unless you think someone should have been deducted a point.
Also, one person cannot see it as a split... it is not possible. it takes three disagreeing viewpoints to get a split... and unless you have 3 personalities which saw the fight different ways... it is not possible.
Please do not post how you judged if you don't know how the scoring works...
EDIT: Alright it's edited now. I guess I can see that... but that means you gave the 3rd to Griffin?
Yea, I know how to score a fight. No need to get bent out of shape about a typo. I corrected it before your post even went up.
Anywho, yea, I gave Forrest the 3rd. He was taking the center of the octagon, pushing the pace, and I think he landed more shots than rampage. Octagon Control.
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Post #23 7/6/08 4:20:59AM
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Posted by JoyDivision
Good decision:
1st round- Obviously Rampage's round. He almost knocked Forrest out.
2nd round- All Forrest. He landed a few knees and got Rampage down. Mounted him and did some GnP.
3rd round- Razor thin, but Forrest was slightly more aggressive.
4th round- Rampage won this one. He landed some good shots and took Forrest down.
5th round- Also a fairly close round but again, Forrest was a little more aggressive except for maybe the last 30 seconds.
Not enough to give the challenger the belt, no matter how much the UFC loves him...
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Post #24 7/6/08 4:25:29AM
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Lord_Lenny
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being more aggressive while landing less punches and doing considerably less damage is not means to winning a round. The logic behind that is like saying Tito should have beat machida because he was pressing the pace and being more aggressive. I think it was cmill21 that said forrest landed some jabs and leg kicks but rampage landed harder shots and more of them, and i completely agree. rampage takes 1,3,4 at least. With 5 going either way to me. 2 could be considered 10-8, because of positioning however forrest wasnt close to finishing the fight and did little damage other than the two leg kicks.
The commentating and crowd seems like it swayed a lot of people and possibly the judges, however i dont believe in the conspiracies that will be floating around, but maybe im too optimistic about the sanctity of the sport
I think my post in the spoiler forum was better written but im in a rush
Last edited 7/6/08 4:49AM by Lord_Lenny
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Post #25 7/6/08 4:46:05AM
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beerman77
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FYI: Opinions are taken more serious if you don't use caps lock. Most posts I see in all capital letters are not worth reading. You may have made some valid points but I wouldn't know...
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Post #26 7/6/08 4:54:07AM
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playground samauri
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Posted by Lord_Lenny
being more aggressive while landing less punches and doing considerably less damage is not means to winning a round.
Agression and octagon control are supposed to be factors in the scoring.
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Post #27 7/6/08 4:54:54AM
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Posted by gspfan
Posted by ncordless
Posted by gspfan
I picked Rampage to win by decision. I scored it 48-46 for Forrest. That's without scoring the second round 10-8. I realize this was a close fight, but I think it's a bit rediculous to start hollaring conspiracy. Rampage even said he got his ass kicked. I see nothing wrong with the decision.
On a side note, I think the Rampage/Henderson fight was closer than this.
Ok... I am kinda getting the feeling from the guy that said he saw it as a split and you who came up with the number 48-46 that you guys don't understand how it works. There is no way to come up with 48-46 without a 10-8 round, unless you think someone should have been deducted a point.
Also, one person cannot see it as a split... it is not possible. it takes three disagreeing viewpoints to get a split... and unless you have 3 personalities which saw the fight different ways... it is not possible.
Please do not post how you judged if you don't know how the scoring works...
EDIT: Alright it's edited now. I guess I can see that... but that means you gave the 3rd to Griffin?
Yea, I know how to score a fight. No need to get bent out of shape about a typo. I corrected it before your post even went up.
Anywho, yea, I gave Forrest the 3rd. He was taking the center of the octagon, pushing the pace, and I think he landed more shots than rampage. Octagon Control.
Fair Enough... the 3rd was definitely close. Forrest did have the center. He really didn't land anything at all except for leg kicks in that round. Rampage landed some shots that had Forrest stumbling away. But like the fight as a whole, I guess I could see it either way.
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Post #28 7/6/08 4:58:45AM
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Posted by beerman77
FYI: Opinions are taken more serious if you don't use caps lock. Most posts I see in all capital letters are not worth reading. You may have made some valid points but I wouldn't know...
 Pretty much anything said in all caps is idiotic... regardless of content.
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Post #29 7/6/08 4:59:57AM
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Lord_Lenny
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Posted by gspfan
Posted by Lord_Lenny
being more aggressive while landing less punches and doing considerably less damage is not means to winning a round.
Agression and octagon control are supposed to be factors in the scoring.
Octagon Control is subjective, but your right they are factors. Perhaps the judges are supposed to be putting more emphasis on aggressiveness than i think, but damage and near fight ending incidents was on Rampage's Side the whole fight other than round 2
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