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MFOTHER
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Career record: 76-37
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f u cb....you got caught......again .....stop bitchin
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Post #1 6/21/08 11:19:48PM
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Laying down the beats
Career record: 192-150
Season: 37-33 (#1810)
Location: Canada
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Anyone who thinks that was an official tap (including Dean, Rogan and Goldberg) need to review the UFC's rules.
That call by Herb Dean is about on par with calling a KO finish due to an illegal blow or deducting a point for a legal blow.
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Post #2 6/21/08 11:38:07PM
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MFOTHER
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Career record: 76-37
Season: 38-15 (#3325)
Location: FL
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not trying to be a dick....but do you have them.....he tapped his hand once....looked like it was going to be a second.........do they see you need two or more or something?
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Post #3 6/22/08 12:07:23AM
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MFOTHER
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Career record: 76-37
Season: 38-15 (#3325)
Location: FL
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Ways To Win: [Top]
1. Submission by:
Physical tap out.
Verbal tap out.
2. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.
3. Decision via the scorecards, including:
Unanimous decision [all judges pick the same fighter as the winner].
Split decision [One judge picks one fighter, the other two judges pick the other fighter].
Majority decision [two of three judges pick the same fighter as the winner].
Draw, including:
Unanimous draw.
Majority draw.
Split draw.
4. Technical decision.
5. Technical draw.
6. Disqualification.
7. Forfeit.
8. No contest.
thats all i could find
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Post #4 6/22/08 12:08:36AM
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dannyfrank
MMA Sensei
Career record: 56-38
Season: 37-25 (#2961)
Location: Chuck Town
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yeah, i dont see how anyone can say that wasn't a tapout
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Post #5 6/22/08 12:10:14AM
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ObsoleteMan
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Well, the rules on wikipedia say specifically that one must tap three times:
# Submission: a fighter may admit defeat during a match by:
* tapping three times on his opponent's body;
* tapping three times on the mat or floor;
* verbal announcement.
Personally, I'm really ambivalent about this. I think that Amir was about to win either way, but like the Kimbo fight, I think the ref should've waited for it to be definite. I can understand where Herb Dean was coming from though, he saw one clear tap, and jumped in right away. How many times do you see one clear tap, and then an escape?
EDIT: I'm lazy, and didn't check any further. Both the Nevada and New Jersey website merely say "physical tap", not referencing the number of taps at any point.
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/sacb/docs/martial.html
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Post #6 6/22/08 12:13:53AM
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it was pretty clear he tapped once, so i think the Ref assumed that he was on his way to keep tapping, so he stopped the fight to prevent an Injury.......i dont disagree with the stoppage, i think it was pretty clear that was a fight ending sub, dont see how he would have gotten out....
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Post #7 6/22/08 12:15:09AM
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Laying down the beats
Career record: 192-150
Season: 37-33 (#1810)
Location: Canada
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That rule page on the official site has been changed. It looks different. The wikipedia entry still has the original tap 3 times.
I mean, it is common sense. I see so many single taps that occur in the match with and without sub attempts.
There is nothing more I can say about this. There is no point in arguing.
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Post #8 6/22/08 12:16:55AM
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I wouldn't quote wiki for evidence... ever.
I do think that the stoppage was justified... if the 3 tap rule was rigidly enforced, whats to stop a wave of fake taps? Fake tapping is definitely not part of MMA, and I wouldn't want to see it become part of MMA.
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Post #9 6/22/08 12:17:41AM
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Kimbo Slice's Punchout!
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Posted by MFOTHER
not trying to be a dick....but do you have them.....he tapped his hand once....looked like it was going to be a second.........do they see you need two or more or something?
Part of my problem with the stoppage is that he wasn't actually going to tap a second time...I rewatched it a dozen times and the one motion is it. In fact, the second angle they show in the replay might even show that he didn't even complete the first tap. It looks as though he gets very close to contact, but retreats.
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Post #10 6/22/08 12:19:46AM
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Hit me with those laser beams!
Career record: 236-111
Season: 53-17 (#11)
Location: Morrison, CO
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Posted by MFOTHER
Ways To Win: [Top]
1. Submission by:
Physical tap out.
Verbal tap out.
2. Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.
3. Decision via the scorecards, including:
Unanimous decision [all judges pick the same fighter as the winner].
Split decision [One judge picks one fighter, the other two judges pick the other fighter].
Majority decision [two of three judges pick the same fighter as the winner].
Draw, including:
Unanimous draw.
Majority draw.
Split draw.
4. Technical decision.
5. Technical draw.
6. Disqualification.
7. Forfeit.
8. No contest.
thats all i could find
Yeah, this is all I could find too (besides Wikipedia... which I would not trust over the UFC site for UFC rules). On the UFC site there is no where it says a fighter must tap 3 times for it to be a submission. I must say, that I've heard the "rule" many times about the 3 taps, but I just don't see that on UFC.com. In fact, immediately after the fight I was pissed because I thought it had to be 3 taps and went right to the site only to find what you found here Mayhem. I was thinking, "crap, I was wrong."
My question... What the hell was CB doing?!?! I thought for sure he'd win it this time because he wouldn't be stupid enough to get caught again... DAMN!
Oh well...
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Post #11 6/22/08 12:20:00AM
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ObsoleteMan
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Posted by ncordless
I wouldn't quote wiki for evidence... ever.
I do think that the stoppage was justified... if the 3 tap rule was rigidly enforced, whats to stop a wave of fake taps? Fake tapping is definitely not part of MMA, and I wouldn't want to see it become part of MMA.
Good point. Forget my previous post. From the wiki page, I went to the the New Jersey Commission's website, which merely says
1. Submission by:
i. Tap Out:When a contestant physically uses his hand to indicate that he or she no longer wishes to continue; or
ii. Verbal tap out:When a contestant verbally announces to the referee that he or she does not wish to continue;
So, yeah. Ambivalence gone, legit stoppage, imo.
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Post #12 6/22/08 12:23:15AM
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seanfu
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Season: 31-19 (#5037)
Location: Fort Wayne IN
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I seriously don't think this means shit. He was in the bar but it was hyperextended big time without a sign of slipping. I disagree with the stoppage but it's really not a huge deal.
Plus you can guarrentee he'll be back and prove himself.
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Post #13 6/22/08 12:25:47AM
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Keeping the pimp hand strong
Career record: 181-78
Season: 47-23 (#525)
Location: Oklahoma
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It was a good stoppage he got caught and the armbar was tight. You cant tap just once and say you didn't tap. For all Dean knows is that you can only tap once and couldn't get the other 2 off because your arm is breaking. It wasn't like that wasn't what he was meaning to do he moved his hand up and away from the action and tapped once on the thigh of Amir. You cant half tap guys it doesn't work that way. CB knows that and so does every other MMA fighter. Give Amir his props that was a damn good armbar.
Last edited 6/22/08 12:45AM by telnights
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Post #14 6/22/08 12:30:32AM
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Hit me with those laser beams!
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Season: 53-17 (#11)
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Posted by seanfu
I seriously don't think this means shit. He was in the bar but it was hyperextended big time without a sign of slipping. I disagree with the stoppage but it's really not a huge deal.
Plus you can guarrentee he'll be back and prove himself.
True... but I thought this was supposed to be the match where he proved himself!
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Post #15 6/22/08 12:37:05AM
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