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The People's Mod
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Season: 47-23 (#137)
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Pretty much exactly what I thought. I'm not generally a fan of Iole's writing, but he nailed it in this one.
He posted almost exactly what I wrote last night in the spoiler's section. http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/topic19712-1.html
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Post #16 6/1/08 2:24:10PM
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The Origional Playground Bully
Career record: 181-100
Season: 51-19 (#22)
Location: Minnesota
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I think there is enough blame to go around here. XC clearly doesn't have the stable of fighters that the UFC does, but I still think that you can blame the match making department for some of this.
Carano/Young, you're talking about a girl who has to really work to make weight in Carano (and clearly she didn't take the time to put in that work, more on that later), and Young who has to pack on pounds just to get to 140. How is this supposed to be a fair fight? I'm not a big female fighter fan, so admittedly my knowledge is lacking on the competition, but I know that Young is a legit striker who was brought out of her weight class to fight Carano, who couldn't even make weight.
As far as that goes- Carano should be ashamed of herself. I like her as a fighter, she's exciting to watch. But after I heard that she couldn't make weight I was rooting hard for Young to pull out the victory. I though maybe then Carano would take some time off to decide if she wants to be a fighter or celebrity. I was not at all impressed with her last night. I also think that XC has a gem in Kaitlin Young, and they should be putting her up against more opponents in her weight class. That would happen though because she doesn't have the great looks/marketablilty that Carano brough into this fight.
NJSAC def. has some blame coming their way too. Thats a few too many quick stopages for my taste. I don't doubt for a second that CBS has some sort of influance on those matches. Maybe not to the degree that a sensor was sitting ringside next to the Doctor's chair- but I think the Network atmosphere created added pressure.
IMO Thompson should share some of the blame for not mounting Kimbo at leasts once out of the 20 or so opportunities that he had. He could have/should have ended that fight the first time he got Kimbo down. There was every opportunity in the world to pass to mount, but he instead chose to move to side control, and let Kimbo get back up. It was rediculous.
Dan Mergliatta has no crediblilty in my book. If you look at the isolated video of Kimbo's final four unanswered shots, then yes- the stoppage was legit. JT was out cold on his feet. But, you've got to put it into the context of that fight. JT was no worse off in the final seconds then he was at least two other times earlier in the fight. Both times he was able to lean in for the clinch and recover enough to keep going. Kimbo was so gassed, he wasn't going to get that final blow in on JT anyway. This fight was going to go the distance, Kimbo had nothing left, and JT would have likely gotten that one last sloppy takedown, and done nothing from the top again to finish out the bout.
I'm not a Kimbo fan, and I was rooting against him, because I'm ready for the circus to finally leave town. But you can't blame him to eating everything he's been spoon fed. XC has decided to make him their posterchild, thats not his fault. The only problem now is that his next opponent will be a lesser fighter then JT, because Kimbo's still a "baby in MMA" as they say. The guy is like 34 years old, by the time he's got enough experience to be considered a veteran in the cage, he'll be old enough to be considered a serior citizen on the streets.
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Post #17 6/1/08 2:30:02PM
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Poohbah
MMA Regular
Career record: 149-87
Season: 43-27 (#2554)
Location: Madison WI
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Wow, Yahoo! tore into this event big time. Not only that, they made it their featured article. That's got to hurt.
Of course, Yahoo! and UFC are strategic partners...but it only reinforces what a great move that was by UFC to align themselves with Yahoo!.
I agree though, the event sucked from beginning to end. Gina was great once again, but failing to make weight is embarrassing.
Bad reffing, bad stoppages, bad production, it was like Murphy's Law was in full effect last night.
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Post #18 6/1/08 2:31:47PM
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durog
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 66-38
Season: 16-8 (#5948)
Location: Oceanside
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Yea, there was alot of fluff and very little substance in that show. Remember when WWF tried to get into football and added a bunch of flashing lights, scandally clad cheerleaders and overhyped athletes? ...it's like that...EliteXC is the XFL of MMA. It will die out soon, that is unless they get the formula right and get some actual fighters.
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Post #19 6/1/08 2:35:01PM
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bigbubbano23
In Full Mount
Career record: 108-86
Season: 39-31 (#2579)
Location: the hills
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i thought it was funny when gary shaw announced that he was giving smith and lawler both win bonuses. that to me sounded like a shout out to tito.
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Post #20 6/1/08 2:44:23PM
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Kimbo Slice's Punchout!
Career record: 204-116
Season: 47-23 (#163)
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Posted by bigbubbano23
i thought it was funny when gary shaw announced that he was giving smith and lawler both win bonuses. that to me sounded like a shout out to tito.
Shaw stuck his foot in his mouth with that one...JT asked for the same treatment in front of the media...how could he turn him down at that point?
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Post #21 6/1/08 2:51:13PM
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nickcuc547
MMA Sensei
Career record: 219-128
Season: 45-25 (#813)
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good read, i thought the show started out pretty good and ended horribly with the way the kimbo fight went down and they way the lawler fight ended. lawler vs. smith was on its way to being fight of the year imo, it sucks it had to end like that. overall i thought the production was bad and the article was spot on.
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Post #22 6/1/08 2:56:22PM
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gravy13
MMA Regular
Career record: 114-78
Season: 35-28 (#4216)
Location: So Cal
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"Have no doubt about this: Slice would be destroyed by any legitimate mixed martial artist. Had Slice faced ex-WWE champion Brock Lesnar, the current UFC rookie hopeful, he’d have been beaten in less than two minutes."
Really?
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Post #23 6/1/08 3:24:42PM
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Career record: 158-93
Season: 44-26 (#1016)
Location: Austin, TX
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Good article, and have to say I agree with most of it.
This even was like watching a high school baseball game when you are used to attending Yankee games.
For free, I cannot complain, but the talent was extremely lacking and the production was absolutely horrible.
I already have people I work with (that have never seen an MMA event before but are well aware that I live for the sport) calling me and telling me that they don't understand what is so great about the sport I like so much.
For the real fans, I think they know to take that event for what it was worth (free), and understand that less talent is going to come from a smaller organization. However, feel this has hurt the sport for any newcomers wishing to give the sport a chance.
I don't understand how people can say that it wasn't EliteXC's fault for the stoppage in the Lawler/Smith fight. What was the doctor even doing in the ring before the 5 minutes was up? When a guy takes an illegal blow to the sack, you don't see a doctor in the ring cupping them and checking them out with a flashlight.
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Post #24 6/1/08 3:32:33PM
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Career record: 171-103
Season: 45-25 (#705)
Location: Canada
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Ok UFC hardcore fans SETTLE DOWN!!!
Lets not get out of control here.
I thought Elite XC did a good job, if anything the doctors and ref were the ones who looked foolish..... i.e Lawler/Smith stoppage, and Kimbo's given win, due to a little fishy reffing.
YOU people have to remember, this event was basically to introduce MMA to the people who have no clue what it is. Thats why it was slow and long before we saw fights...CBS/ELITE XC wants to give you a little more insight to who the fighters are, and a little about how rules apply.
This was no UFC event, but I thought it was well done, minus the above.
So to you UFC fans, who dont think anything else is good. I suggest you chill out, and go jump on UFC.COM and let people enjoy something else for a change, instead of bashing everything else.
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Post #25 6/1/08 3:43:31PM
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The-Don
In Full Mount
Career record: 107-88
Season: 40-30 (#1957)
Location: TN
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Yea the Kimbo fight I almost want to say was rigged.. Thompson for over a minute in teh 2nd round was raining down elbows and punches.. granted they were not overly powerful.. but I have seen fights stopped for less.. plus it did at one point kinda looked like kimbo may have tapped.. but that could have just been random hand movement... THen soon as Thompson starts bleeding the fight is stopped.. I do not think thompson knew he was even bleeding... .. I think they saw a chance to ensure Kimbo wins... and the ref was directed to take it... THe lawler fight was damn good.. NC so it really does not hurt each fighter.. I just hope they do a rematch naxt show.. this would be the fight to hype up and make the main event.. ..
I think the UFC should let brock do a one fight deal with Kimbo Brock would own him.. Even if it went to the 2nd or 3rd round.. Brock would be going strong.. Kimbo looked ready to pass out... but then so did Thompson... personaly this was a piss poor fight to have be the main event.. I really did not catch any other of the actual fights.. I change the channel when my kids are in the room.. I also caught the Baroni fight.. another major let down... There was just WAY too much hype between fights and then the fights themselves were let down in all but one case from what I saw.. and that fight was a bad stoppage with out giving the fighter his full 5 minutes.. They really need to get thier act together or this venture is going to end up failing miserably.. Though I thik the UFC could do this so much better if they maintain control of the show.. they could give a network a fight show to be happy about and one fans will enjoy both hardcore and new fans.. That show last night might actually have hurt MMA in the eyes of some with all the hype.. Most MMA shows are not like that.. at times I thought it was the WWE on tv..
 
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Post #26 6/1/08 3:55:33PM
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GrandMaster313
In Full Mount
Career record: 175-99
Season: 44-26 (#691)
Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A.
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I think Dana should make a 1 time deal with another major network and air a fight card , one that would be far superior to what we saw last night just to rub it in Gary Shaw's face!!!
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Post #27 6/1/08 4:08:20PM
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jgtribbett
Belt Contender
Career record: 175-106
Season: 44-25 (#1220)
Location: New Orleans, LA
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i enjoyed the female fight and even the kimbo fight.. i was upset with the stoppage at the end of kimbo/thompson (althoguht i dont think JT was gonna win). and lawler ..l always fun to watch.. but it looked to much (as my professional wreslting buddy put it..) like WCW.. game over
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Post #28 6/1/08 4:22:15PM
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heelhook71
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 72-62
Season: 40-30 (#2297)
Location: fraser mi
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last night was sub par at best.Frankly i was somewhat embarassed i told new viewers at my job to tune in.Clearly the female bout was the highlight followed by lawler and smith.I think the the major question was answered.... Is Kimbo Slice legit? Yes!!! Hes a legitimate street fighter and does not desrve the hype he recieves, not to say i would want to face him but, James Thompson is not even close to a ranked heavy wieght let alone name in mma.I think that last nights show put mma back to ufc5 in the publics eye.
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Post #29 6/1/08 4:46:13PM
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Next WW Champ!
Career record: 156-95
Season: 41-29 (#2239)
Location: So Cal.
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That event was a joke, I think Vince mcmahon was behind it
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