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Mchubb316
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Kimbo Slice, a one-time homeless man, one-time strip club bouncer, one-time backyard, back-alley brawler turned Internet sensation/big money mixed martial artist isn’t a problem. Only in America, right?
He’s said to be a great guy, a boot-strap success story who deserves everything coming to him. I’ve watched him maul “Adryan” a half dozen times alone. You have, or will, too.
Kimbo Slice being a street fighter, rather than a Brazilian jiu-jitsu or Muay Thai master, isn’t a problem either.
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A lot of good points here. I agree with this article for the most part. I do think that the UFC gives fighters easier opponents sometimes to give them wins.
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Post #1 5/29/08 2:27:46AM
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As much criticism as Dan receives, and I am not saying some isn't deserved, I think he has it right here. I hope the EliteXC/CBS deal doesn't do more to hurt the sports long term credibility than help it. I also hope that Foxsports or ESPN can come to some mutually beneficial agreement with the UFC soon.
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Post #2 5/29/08 2:31:25AM
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MMAcca
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Nice find and a good article.
The writer really does have things spot-on when he hints at the long-term damage Kimbo could cause to MMA.
Like Hippysmacker said, let's just hope the UFC can reach a deal with one of the other major broadcasting newtworks soon and continue to carry the sport forward and showcase MMA the way it should be seen.
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Post #3 5/29/08 2:41:22AM
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mrsmiley
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Pretty good article.I do have one gripe though.
"Those days are, or should be, done, of course. Even McCain gives MMA his approval now. That’s mostly because of the work of the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), far and away the major league of the sport."
Zuffa has done a lot to bring MMA into the limelight,but I think it's total BS John Perritti gets left out of the mix.The UFC did bring MMA the succsuss it needed to survive in the states,but it was off of the ground work Perritti had layed out.
Funny how history can change.
Overall a good article though.
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Post #4 5/29/08 6:26:20AM
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Sir_Karl
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I have to quote this..."A lot of good points here. I agree with this article for the most part. I do think that the UFC gives fighters easier opponents sometimes to give them wins."
Like Brock Lesnar? He gets Frank Mir then Heath Herring....yeah those are easy opponents...
EliteXC is the company that feeds their future hopefuls the tomato cans...Kimbo Slice gets Bo Cantrell, Tank Abbot and James Thompson...a far cry from the before mentioned Mir and Herring.
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Post #5 5/29/08 10:33:25AM
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imanidiot777
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Posted by Sir_Karl
I have to quote this..."A lot of good points here. I agree with this article for the most part. I do think that the UFC gives fighters easier opponents sometimes to give them wins."
Like Brock Lesnar? He gets Frank Mir then Heath Herring....yeah those are easy opponents...
EliteXC is the company that feeds their future hopefuls the tomato cans...Kimbo Slice gets Bo Cantrell, Tank Abbot and James Thompson...a far cry from the before mentioned Mir and Herring.
Excellent points, but Brock Lesnar is just one example and for other new guys like Cain Velasquez or guys like Huerta when they first came in, they didn't get hard guys or former champions to start. Brock got who he got because of his name and smack talk.
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Post #6 5/29/08 11:22:11AM
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scpd400
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Great article. Worth the read and I agree with the fact Kimbo Slice cannot beat a world class fighter.
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Post #7 5/29/08 11:54:06AM
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Mchubb316
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Posted by Sir_Karl
I have to quote this..."A lot of good points here. I agree with this article for the most part. I do think that the UFC gives fighters easier opponents sometimes to give them wins."
Like Brock Lesnar? He gets Frank Mir then Heath Herring....yeah those are easy opponents...
EliteXC is the company that feeds their future hopefuls the tomato cans...Kimbo Slice gets Bo Cantrell, Tank Abbot and James Thompson...a far cry from the before mentioned Mir and Herring.
I did not say every fighter. I said "sometimes", I never mentioned Brock. I agree Brock is having two difficult fights in the UFC. The UFC also gave Soko Machida. It was not my intention to say the UFC is as bad as EliteXC.
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Post #8 5/29/08 12:43:33PM
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tylerlee123
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Sooner or later he will be dominate maybe sooner than we excpect too
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Post #9 5/29/08 12:47:28PM
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Sam_Rothstein
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Who cares that he is getting so much publicity?
Yes I know he has not fought anyone with any talent. I know that right now he would get handled by almost every ufc heavyweight. I know he has violent fights on youtube, hell i even visited the porno site he used to work for as a bouncer. Yes I know he lost to a Sean Gannon who was destroyed in his only ufc fight.
He still could be a great fighter one day. Im sure bas saw something in him if he was gonna take him under his wing like he did. He has been training mma non stop, and he also stopped getting into street fights. He always has been a great athlete, he has hands of dynamite and a chin made of steel.
Give him a ground game and tell me one heavyweight who wouldnt be nervous
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Post #10 5/29/08 1:38:32PM
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UFC for the most part has really good match making. You can't have the best two fighters fighting in every match. Some fighters need to be built up a little. MMA matchs are alot better then boxing with boxers always going for the path of least resisitance to reach the top.
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Post #11 5/29/08 2:42:30PM
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tdietel01
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ufc gave cro cop and rampage (i wont say cans) fairly easy matchups. hell i even remember the ref making CC and GG stand up when there was no reason to be stood up (pretty sure cause cro cop was gettin hurt fast!). other than that i think ufc does pretty good
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Post #12 5/29/08 9:29:58PM
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bls1919
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I did not like the article at all. First off the author refers to kimbo as a "once homeless man" to portray him as less of a person, then gives EXC a bunch of shit for 'hyping kimbo" as the next big thing, portaying him for somthin he isnt, or might not be in case of his MMA career.its the same thing. Kimbo was homeless like millions of others in Florida at that time ....right after HURICANE ANDREW. Its just a guy useing the same tactics he is critisizing. TOTAL BS IMO of course. And the bit about padded carreers not in the UFC....How do you call fighting James Thompson in your third professional fight padding?
EDIT: As to getting handled by every HW in the UFC, Sam Roethstein, I'm fairly certain that kimbo would make short work of Neil Wain, Eddie Sanchez, Soa Palalei, Antoni Hardonk, Justin McCully. Just to name a few
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Post #13 5/29/08 10:17:30PM
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Posted by bls1919
EDIT: As to getting handled by every HW in the UFC, Sam Roethstein, I'm fairly certain that kimbo would make short work of Neil Wain, Eddie Sanchez, Soa Palalei, Antoni Hardonk, Justin McCully. Just to name a few
Really? I think McCaully and Hardonk would finish him in the first. I would puck Sanchez as well. Don' t know enough about Wain to comment, and I am not sure about Soa's mental side to pick him against anyone now. Agree to disagree on some I guess.
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Post #14 5/30/08 1:52:10AM
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Its nice to see a reporter saying what I have been saying for months now. Kimbo/Gary Shaw are nothing but bad for MMA. I don't blame Kimbo for cashing in but the way he is being marketed and how he earned his popularity can bring no good to the image of MMA. Now as far as Shaw there is a reason he came to MMA and it because no one wanted to work with him anymore in boxing. I can say I will stand up for most CEO/Promoters for what they do but not scum like this. People may knock Dana White but the guy has done more for MMA than almost anyone and keeps MMA growing to a respected sport every day. He also has done a lot of work so guys like Shaw can put on shows in states they couldn't 3 years ago. The only reason Gary Shaw/EliteXC got the deal with CBS is because Showtime is owned by CBS and EliteXC is owned by Showtime. So EliteXC jumped on this and put all there egg in one basket and are betting the farm on this one show.
I for one will not watch the show or DVR it and have told my MMA friends to do the same as I will in no way support this kind of MMA show. If you don't buy in to the hole bad for MMA thing then don't watch just for the fact that CBS/Shaw/EliteXC put a fighter with 2 pro fights against unranked HWs and a guy that has got KOed 3 times of his last 4 fights above a title fight. That title fight is Robbie "Ruthless" Lawler vs Scott Smith. Lawler fought 2 top ten MWs his last 2 fights and won both fights and now is ranked 5th himself. But CBS/Shaw/EliteXC thinks Kimbo vs Thompson is more deserving for the main event. Hell even Gina Carano vs Kaitlin Young is more deserving than Kimbo.
(sorry for the rant its just I have been a fan of MMA since UFC 4 and have watch this sport have its up and way downs. Now that its finally becoming accepted in the US you have guys like Shaw trying to make a fast buck and run the sport in to the ground while doing so. The only way this will get fixed is if us as MMA fans don't watch shows like this.)
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