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Pinkalicous
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very good fight, if you think that Machida was running you are sadly mistaken. he was displaying superb counterpunchs. he kinda reminded me of a way more athletic chuck, they both fight the same standing, they wait for the other to mess up and then hit them with great counterpunches. its just that machida was able to use his athletic ability more and be more elusive than chuck.
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Post #31 5/25/08 3:08:06PM
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Machida was being evasive and making Tito miss, picking his spots and doing his damage his way. He was not "running away" but rather avoiding strikes. his style is just unique , and it is his unique style that makes him a great fighter. Machida is hard to hit, and he fought smart...they way i thought he would. he will provide problems for most of the guys at 205 and i cannot wait for the plethora of match ups that await him.
i find his style very technical and interesting to watch. i like how he just flows effortlessly in his striking, almost matrix-like, as he seems to be one step ahead every time i see him fight. i think it is a beautiful art form that he displays in the octagon and honestly it all depends on the style of his opponent. look at his fight with Soko. Soko engaged too often, got taken down and caught and submitted. tito wasn't pushing the pace as often as people here seem to think and Machida was content with that and just picked him apart. i would also agree that his striking is more of a point-fighting style and that it looks like the tournaments for point sparring i used to partake in, but he does cause some real damage.
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Post #32 5/25/08 3:11:48PM
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Dastardly1
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Machida's style = Undefeated
His high level of karate brings a different type of distance and timing to his striking than say your average mma fighter. its gonna take a pro level boxer or k-1 kickboxer to gauge range and timing to deal with Machida standing.
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Post #33 5/25/08 3:26:43PM
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Boo_Radley21
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Every day on this site people hate on guys like Sherk who are still technical on the ground they just don't finish the fight. But Machida does the exact same thing only standing which I actually find more boring, and everyone is praising him because it's technical.
My point is why hate on wrestlers if you're gonna say how great Machida is for getting a decision in so many of his fights. He has a lot less fights than some of the guys people call boring and already has more decision wins than Sylvia and is only a few behind Sherk.
I know I already brought Sherk and Sylvia up but it's the perfect example of how people have been hating on guys who are exactly like Machida.
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Post #34 5/25/08 4:22:23PM
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Posted by Boo_Radley21
Every day on this site people hate on guys like Sherk who are still technical on the ground they just don't finish the fight. But Machida does the exact same thing only standing which I actually find more boring, and everyone is praising him because it's technical.
My point is why hate on wrestlers if you're gonna say how great Machida is for getting a decision in so many of his fights. He has a lot less fights than some of the guys people call boring and already has more decision wins than Sylvia and is only a few behind Sherk.
I know I already brought Sherk and Sylvia up but it's the perfect example of how people have been hating on guys who are exactly like Machida.
I don't hate on Sherk or Sylvia. Those are just the ignorant people. Let them have their opinions- you're not going to change them. As a matter of fact, I think Sylvia is one of the top 5 most underrated fighters out there.
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Post #35 5/25/08 5:01:40PM
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NatedawgThaM
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Posted by Boo_Radley21
Every day on this site people hate on guys like Sherk who are still technical on the ground they just don't finish the fight. But Machida does the exact same thing only standing which I actually find more boring, and everyone is praising him because it's technical.
My point is why hate on wrestlers if you're gonna say how great Machida is for getting a decision in so many of his fights. He has a lot less fights than some of the guys people call boring and already has more decision wins than Sylvia and is only a few behind Sherk.
I know I already brought Sherk and Sylvia up but it's the perfect example of how people have been hating on guys who are exactly like Machida.
 100% and it sucks because the majority of the hate is placed on wrestlers when it's SIMPLE FACT WRESTLING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF MMA!!! And it's the best one dimensional foundation to start MMA on.
With BJJ guys, how are you going to get it to the ground with out take downs? Yeah you can pull guard but none one is just going to sit down into your guard and let you submit them. There gonna just stand their and let the ref force you to get up. The only other way is for the striker to knock you down so they pounce on you with GNP. But you might be too unconscious to be able to pull anything out. It's why GSP and BJ Penn are the best all around grapplers in the UFC. And the strikers, how are you going to stop the fight from going onto the ground? Hold on and hope for the ref to stop the fight and stand it up? Nah the refs are more accepting of LNP thanks to the great Big John McCarthy who will make you work to get out of that bad spot!! You need the sprawl(a huge aspect of pure wrestling) to keep it on the feet. It's why Chuck Liddell and Cro Cop were good for so long. They have great sprawls thanks to wrestling.
But yeah, end rant and back on topic. Why hate on these guys and NOT THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET OUT OF THE SPOT? it's why it's MMA, not (kick)boxing or your local BJJ tournament or bar fight. You need to be good wherever the fight goes. It's also why yellow cards are total BS.
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Post #36 5/25/08 5:22:31PM
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fonduktoe
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as effective as his style may be i can't help but be completely bored by his fights
i can honestly say i will never be excited to see lyoto machida on a fight card
i wonder if they consider it a submission if machida's opponent were to fall asleep from boredom?
if that were the case than machida could submit most of the people watching his fight as well
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Post #37 5/25/08 5:22:31PM
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mrkennedy
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i didnt say i hate machida i say i dislike his style i didnt have fun to watch is fight with tito,i understand the game very well is just not my favorite type of fight
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Post #38 5/25/08 5:52:57PM
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mrkennedy
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Posted by fonduktoe
as effective as his style may be i can't help but be completely bored by his fights
i can honestly say i will never be excited to see lyoto machida on a fight card
i wonder if they consider it a submission if machida's opponent were to fall asleep from boredom?
if that were the case than machida could submit most of the people watching his fight as well
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Post #39 5/25/08 5:56:08PM
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Career record: 223-123
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Machida is a boring ass fighter...he is good,but he has no marketing value.........He's like the Mayweather of the UFC,but he's not as marketable because he is just too quiet and boring inside of the ring,and out....if you're gonna wanna get by with a style like that,you better change your name to "Money Machida" and start stiring the pot a little....
Plain and simple....with that style there is NOBODY in the ufc right now that can beat Machida,so I have lost no respect for Tito for it.
There are alot of you saying that only the "Tito nutthuggers" think Machida is boring,but i think you all are just being hypocrites for being Tito Haters...
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Post #40 5/25/08 5:59:47PM
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mkiv9secsupra
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TBH MAchida is not such a badass striker as he is professed to be. He has no effort to finish the fight so he throws a couple shots then RUNS away. I can always jab an opponent to death then get the hell out of range. Plain and simple the stick and run technique is far less prestigious than an aggressive kick boxing style or even a brawler. If Tim Sylvia catches flak for doing it then so should Machida. I hope he gets a title shot just so he does get dominated.
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Post #41 5/25/08 6:14:53PM
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GrandMaster313
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Posted by 89vision
people who dont like him just dont understand what hes doing in there, hes not wandy goin in there out of control, lyoto's chin is underrated, he dosnt have to be so elusive but its a smart way to fight, and you've got to appreciate all facets of fighting, a guy whos patient while standing is twice as exciting as a LnP fighter
joe rogan explains it the best by saying hes doing a lot in there, tito was getting pissed but thats because he isnt able to do anything, machida owned him everywhere the fight went, lyoto even taking tito down, tito couldnt strike with him, wrestle with him, clinch, HE COULDNT EVEN SUBMIT HIM WITH A FULL TRIANGLE, that speaks very very highly of Lyoto and if you boo'd at this fight or thought he wasnt impressive you need to watch the fight on mute and appreciate diversity in the ring, and hey hes not 13-0 for no reason, he dominates
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Post #42 5/25/08 6:21:45PM
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Posted by mrkennedy
i'm sure im not the only one to think this
if you are disagre or agree give me your opinion
Machida's style is unlike any mma style in mma today, i see it that he has cross trained just like any mma fighter looking to improve their game. We all know that one style doesnt work in mma, you need to be trained in all area's. The thing that separates machida from all other mma fighters is that he sticks with his karate as the for front of his game, he stands almost as if he isnt ready to fight, many of his opponents have struggled to counter his attacks because he throws so many fakes which makes a false sense of awarness, his opponents dont know whats coming, and by the time they think they have worked him out, its the end of the fight and they've lost. His front style is what separates his appearance, he doesnt stand or move like any other, its his own unique style. Lyoto is simply awesome, he mulled tito, ortiz did not look comfortable for one minute in that fight. He has studdied tito all over, every time tito shot in, machida was moving and throwing his counter strikes, the takedown by machida was a perfect planned throw, as he backed tito into the cage, he moved him sideways allowing and angle for the throw. Of course, tito didnt expect it as he thought machida was looking to escape the clinch. He trapped the arm with the knee then unleashed a blossoming attack before the round ended leaving a huge impression on the judges minds !! The best weapon in mma that machida has over them all is Surprise, he does what you dont think he'll do. I think he's awesome to watch, every decision win is a step closer to the title. He'll beat any of the top 5 including rampage. Boring or clever ... make up your own minds on that one ???
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Post #43 5/25/08 7:17:30PM
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JBatch
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He was Kalib Starned without a broken foot. I am not a Tito fan or a Machida fan but a huge MMA fan. I was incredibly excited for this fight and was extremely dissappointed. This is the precise reason why the UFC needs a yellow card system.
Anyone saying that was a great effort is delusional there is nothing great about running away throwing a kick or two then running some more. Also the fight being scored 30-27 by all the refs was ludacris, that whole fight was a farce.
I had the same feeling after that fight that I did after the Starnes fight, utter disbelief that someone calls themselves a fighter when all they do is run.
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Post #44 5/25/08 7:28:53PM
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Posted by JBatch
He was Kalib Starned without a broken foot. I am not a Tito fan or a Machida fan but a huge MMA fan. I was incredibly excited for this fight and was extremely dissappointed. This is the precise reason why the UFC needs a yellow card system.
Anyone saying that was a great effort is delusional there is nothing great about running away throwing a kick or two then running some more. Also the fight being scored 30-27 by all the refs was ludacris, that whole fight was a farce.
I had the same feeling after that fight that I did after the Starnes fight, utter disbelief that someone calls themselves a fighter when all they do is run.
It's not running away when you out-land the other fighter; it's excellent strategy and technique.
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